FBI Case File 62-HQ-83894, Section 3: Flying Disc Sighting Reports and Investigations, 1947

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

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NFIDENTIAL

# Office Memorandum. UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DECLASSIFIED

Authority:

NND 90986

HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA

25 August 1947

SUBJECT: Flying Disc.

- TO: Special Agent in Charge, FBI, U. S. Department of Justice, Federal Office Building, Room 422, San Francisco, Calif.

1. The attached true copy of a letter from Mr. F. M. Johnson was received by this officer 22 August 1947.

2. Your attention is invited to the similarity between Arnold's early report and this gentleman's report. A possibility exists that Mr. Johnson might have read some of this in the newspapers when Arnold was publicized re this matter.

3. This headquarters does not intend to investigate this incident. It is requested that a result of any interview you may make be furnished this headquarters.

1 Incl: (dup) <signature>
Ltr fr F.M.Johnson
(True Cy)

DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, GSC
AC of S, A-2

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PORTLAND, OREGON, August 20th 1947.

# Office Memorandum. UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Lt. Col. Donald L. Springer, Assistant Staff

Sir. Saw in the portland paper a short time ago in regards to an article in regards to the so called flying disc having any basis of fact. I can say am a prospector and was in the ft Adams district on June 24th the day Kennet Arnold of Boise Idaho claims he saw a formation of flying disc. And i saw the same flying objects at about the same time. Having a telescope with me at the time i can asure you they are real and noting like them I ever saw before they did not pass verry high over where I was standing at the the time. plobly 1000 ft. they were Round about 30 foot in dimater tapering sharply to a point in the head end in an oval shape, with a bright top surface. I did not hear any noise as you would from a plane. But there was an object in the tail end looked like a big hand of a block shifting from side to side like a big magenet. There speed as far as i know seemed to be greater than anything I ever saw. Last veiw I got of the objects they were standing on edge Banking in a Cloud.

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Men

# dum. UNITED S

# GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI
DATE: September 4, 1937
Atten: Assistant Director D. M. LADD
FROM : SAC, San Francisco
AIRMAIL
SUBJECT: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS

Enclosed for your information are copies of two letters from Lt. Col. DONALD L. SPRINGER of A-2, Hamilton Field, California, dated August 27, 1947, with attachments reporting the sighting of "flying discs" on Guam, and result of A-2 investigation at Tacoma and Kelso, Washington.

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SECRET

HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE

Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA
333.5/1208-1

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

27 August 1947

62-2938*

SUBJECT: Re Flying Disc.

TO:

| Special   | Agent   | in Charge,   | FBI,   | U. S.   | Department of   | Justice,    |
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| Federal   | Office  | Building,    | Room   | 422,    | San Francisco,  | California. |

1. Following is extract from the Weekly Intelligence Summary, Air Transport Command, Washington 25, D. C., dated 20 August 1947, Copy No. 120, Article I, pg 1:

"FLYING OBJECTS IN GUAM: Unidentified flying objects have been observed by three American enlisted men of the 147th Air- ways and Air Communications Service Squadron at Harmon Field, Guam. The men report that at 1040 hours on 14 August 1947 the two objects, which they describe as small, crescent shaped and traveling at a speed twice that of a fighter plane, passed over them on a zig-zag course in a westerly direction at an approxi- mate altitude of twelve hundred feet. The objects disappeared into clouds and a few seconds later a similar object possibly one of those previously observed, emerged from the clouds and proceeded west. No further details have been reported."

2. For your information.

<signature>
DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, GSC
AC of S, A-2

SECRET

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HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA
333.5/1208-1

27 August 1947

SUBJECT: Investigation of Flying Disc.

TO: Special Agent in Charge, FBI, U. S. Department of Justice, Federal Office Building, Room 422, San Francisco, California.

Attached summary forwarded for your information.

1 Incl:
Summary of Information.

DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, GSC
AC of S, A-2

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
U.S. DEP
AUG 30 1947
SAN FRANCISCO
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62-83894-102

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ENCLOSURE
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NFIDENTIAE

HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA
333.5/1208-I

27 August 1947

SUBJECT: Investigation of Flying Disc.

TO: Special Agent in Charge, FBI, U. S. Department of Justice,
Seattle, Washington.

Attached summary forwarded for your information.

1 Incl:
Summary of Information.

DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, GSC
AC of S, A-2

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AIR RESCUE SERVICE

DETACIMENT 8 (624 AAF BU)

McChord Field, Tacoma, Fashington

4 August 1947

SUBJECT: Final Mission Report

| TO:   | Commanding Officer     |
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|       | Air Rescue Service     |
|       | MacDill Field, Florida |

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1. MISSION NUMBER Thirty-Nine.

2. NATURE.

At 0400 PST, 1 August 47, ARMY FLIGHT SERVICE notified this detachment that a plane had been seen to orash and burn thirteen (13) miles south of KEL30, Washington (46°8'N, 122°55'W).

3. ACTION TAKEN

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

a. 1 Aug 47. At 04:30 PST, AFS received information from Mr. O. C. Clark, local sheriff of KELSO, Wash., that the scene of the crash was fifteen (15) to twenty (20) miles east of KELSO in the vicinity of 00BLE CREEK. The KELSO Chief of Police saw an aircraft fly low over the town, then crash and burn to the east. The time was about 0236 PST. A check of aircraft known to be in the vicinity revealed that B-25 #1316 had departed MCCHORD FIELD at 0212 PST for HAMILTON FIELD, California. The weather was reported as CFR. A full moon made visibility exceptionally good. The pilot's name was CAPT. W. C. DAVIDSON; the plane carried three (3) additional persons. The Base Operations Officer and Base PIO were notified. This detachment began organizing a ground party of base personnel to supplement that being formed by the KELSO Chief of Police. At 0500 PST information was received from KELSO by APS that ground fog in the valleys at the seene of the crash was preventing a ground party from locating the plane. Since no communication had been received from B-25 #1316, it was assumed that it was the plane reported as crashed. ARS C-47 was pre-flighted to transport the Army ground party to KELSO but a check of the field conditions there deemed it advisable to use a smaller aircraft. Of the two C-45s available, one belonging to AFS was unserviced after a night flight; the other, belong- ing to AACS, was readied even though a responsible officer of that organ- ization was not present to authorize the flight. Fog at KELSO prevented take-off until 0700 PST. The ground party, led by CAPT. W. L. LITTRELL and CAPT. T. H. FORSBERG, consisted of six men including a medical technician and a photographer. At 0600 PST, the KELSO Chief of Police notified APS that a passenger of the crashed airplane was in his office and had confirmed

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Subjects Final Mission Report

4 August 1947

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

The belief that the crash was that of the unreported B-25. The Passenger, Sgt. E. L. TAFF, of FT. LAWTON, SEATTLE, was uninjured, but reported that the crew chief, T/Sgt. W. D. MATHEWS, was at a farm house near the scene of the erash and was injured. Sgt. TAFF then led an ambulance to Sgt. MATHEWS who was subsequently taken to a local hospital. At 0610 PST an attempt was made to telephone Sq. 3 at HAMILTON FIELD but no answer was received; however, it was known that HAMILTON AFS was aware of the incident and would notify Sq. B. At 0700 PST Capt. LITTRELL departed in a C-45 for KELSO. At 0745 PST Sq B was contacted by phone and gi von a flash report. At 0905 PST CAPT LITTRELL phoned and informed that he had placed CAPTAIN FORSBERG in charge of Army porsonnel proceeding to the scene of the crash. No aerial search was necessary as civilians in the area knew the exact location of the crash and had reported finding one (1) body in the wreckage. CAPT. LITTRELL prepared to fly Sgt's TAFF and MATHEWS to MCCHORD FIELD for medical attention, arriving at 0945 PST. The survivors stated that they believed neither the pilot nor co-pilot has parachuted from the plane. The cause of the incident was at this time determined to be a fire in the loft engine. CAPT LITTRELL was informed by Sgt. TAFF that he believed classified documents had been aboard the planet CAPT FORSBERG was instructed to take necessary precautions. An ambulance met the plane at MCCHORD FIELD carrying the two survivors and took them to the hospital. Interrogation revealed that the left engine had caught fire in the power section and flames and smoke had spread to the flight deck almost immed- iately. The crew chief, MATHEWS, assisted TAFF in attaching his chest paok and TAFF abandoned the plane at an estimated altitude of 10,000 rt (this fact is doubted but is not considered necessarily relevant). MATHEWS helped the pilot and co-pilot attach their chest packs (all per- sonnel had been wearing the harness) and as he left the plane was aware that the co-pilot was preparing to follow. The pilot had started to leave and, to the best recollection of MATHEWS, was partially standing and holding the control wheel with his left hand. MATHEW'S statements indicate that proper emergency procedures had been performed but that the flames had on- veloped the antire left side almost immediately. TAPF stated that, because of the full moon and good visibility, he saw MATHEWS leave the plane and was able to follow the plane to the ground and that he saw no one else bail out. The ship was enveloped in flames and was beginning to fell apart before hitting the ground where it exploded and burned about one (1) mile from where he, TAFF, landed. He lit in a tree, and not knowing how to release his parachute of the quick-detachable kind, out himself loose from the harness with his pocket knife. He kicked and struggled and eventually Jumped to the ground, receiving a jolt on impact but was unable to guess how far he had fallen. He then followed a cow path for an estimated two (2) miles to a farm house, arriving after MATHEWS. Meanwhile, as MATHENS cleared the plane he turned and saw the plane strike the ground, explode and burn. Just before or just at the time of impact he saw an object afire thrown clear of the plane but did not know whether it was a person or part of the plane. MATHEWS also lit in a tree, and after freeing himself from his harness, fell to the ground where he injured his back. He lost consciousness and on recovering went to the burning plane, about fifty

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Subject: Final Mission Repart

4 August 1947

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

(50) yards away. Flares were going off and he thought best to leave the scene. He heard a stream nearby and followed it until he came to a house and aroused the occupants. Soon TAFF arrived at the same house and, being un- injured, was driven into town. Then he led an ambulance to effect transporta- tion of MATHEWS to a hospital. Meanwhile, civilians reached the scene of the crash where they found one body. At 0930 PST, a message from Sq B informed that top secret material was in the navigators kit and to request Commanding Officer MCCHORD FIELD to expedite all available information to Commanding Officer HAMILTON FIELD. Meanwhile, CAPT PORSBERO and four (4) enlisted men departed KELS0 at 0830 PST for scene of the crash. They were transported by the WASHINGTON STATE POLICE who knew the exact location of the plane (46009 N 122°43'). The ground party determined upon arrival at the scene, that two (2) bodies were in the wreckage. Indications led to the belief that the co-pilot was afire when he left the plane an instant before impact. The pilot's remains were found in the wreckage. Pre- liminary investigation by CAPT FORSBERG disclosed the planes left wing about one hundred twenty-five (125) yards from the widely scattered port- tions of the plane. The loft wing was intact and had apparently torn off just outboard of the left engine before impact. The forward portion of the wing stub was melted but the rear two thirds indicated that it had ripped loose from the inboard section of the wing. The wing leading edge was undamaged. The navigation and landing lights were unbroken. The aileron was undamaged but the flap section was crushed, leading to the belief that the wing struck the tail section. From these indications it is believed the wing ripped from the airplane just after MATHEWS abandoned the plane. The resulting spin thus prevented the remaining crew members from bailing out although the co-pilot may have been in the hatch. A few civilians were in the area when CAPT FORSBERG arrived and he took precautions to prevent them from disturbing the wreckage. At 1157 PST CAPT LITTRELL flew CAPT RICE, M. C., to KELSO. An ambulance dispatched from MOCHORD FIELD, met them at KELSO, and was led to the soone of the erash by the STATE POLICE. The bodies were recovered and trans- ported in the ambulance to MCCHORD FIELD. CAPT LITTRELL returned to MCCHORD FIELD where camping equipment was prepared to be dropped to the ground party. CAPT LITTRELL, made a successful drop at dusk by sighting on a signal fire. The ground party set up camp at the wreckage scene to act as guard and to investigate further the following day. They were relieved of responsibility of all recovered documents by a CIC agont who had arrived about 1800 PST.

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Subjects Final Mission Report

4 August 1047

| 5.                   | STATISTICAL          | SUMMARY              |
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| P... GROUND ACTIVITY | P... GROUND ACTIVITY | P... GROUND ACTIVITY |

(1) Total man hours by ARS Personnel in field 72

(2) Total man hours by other Army Personnel
(estimate) 300

(3) Total man hours by civilian personnel (est) 150

(4) No. of miles driven by Army Vehicles 500

b. AERIAL ACTIVITY

	(1) Total No. of sorties flown 12

	(2) Total hours flown by Army aircraft

3. LOCAL PURCHASES

	(1) None

6. COMMENTS

a. Cooperation received from all civilian agencies concerned was complete and excellent.

7. RECOMMENDATIONS
a. None.

ROBERT H. MASONHEIMER
Captain, Air Corps
Commanding Officer

1 Incls:
1=Photographs

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EADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE

CONFIDENTIAL

Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Title Investigation of Flying Disc

FILE No. 4AF =1208=1
DATE 12 August 1947

INVESTIGATION MADE AT Tacoma and Kelso, Washington
CONTROLLING OFFICE Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field
PERIOD COVERED 31 July through 7 August 1947
CASE CLASSIFICATION Incident
STATUS OF CASE Pending

REASON FOR INVESTIGATION: Investigation initiated at the request of Air Defense Command, reference ltr Hq ADC, dta 7 Jul 47, file D333.51D, subj: Investigation of Flying Discs.

SYNOPSIS:

On 31 July 47, Mr. Arnold, Aviation Editor of the Idaho Daily Statesman, tele phoned Lt. Brown requesting he return to Tacoma because Arnold believed he had some very vital information on the flying disc.

Lt. Brown and Capt. Davidson interviewed a Mr. Fred L. Crisman and a tir. Harold A. Dahl, along with Capt. Smith of the United Air Lines, and Mr. Arnold, at the Win- throp Hotel in Tacoma, Washington, on the night of 31 July 1947.

The summary of their interrogation and findings was related to Major Sender, Public Information Officer, MeChord Field, by lir. Arnold and Capt. Smith. Major Sander retold the results of the investigation to this officer from his notes.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Mr. Dahl and Mr. Crisman wore not available for interview while this officer was in that area, although every effort was made to contact them.

Further investigation of this particular incident was left with Mr. Brady, Resident Agent, FBI, Tacoma, Washington.

It was apparent from newspaper clippings, telephone calls to this officer, and conversations with Major Sander, that a United Press correspondent, of the Tacoma Times, was instrumental in keeping this case alive. This officer and Major Sander, although quoted many times in the press, did not discuss this matter with the press during the period of this report.

The anonymous mystery caller in Tacoma could possibly be Mr. Crisman.

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CONFIDENTIAL

## DETAILS:

1. During the afternoon of 31 July 47, Mr. Arnold, Aviation Editor of the Idaho Daily Statesman, telephoned Le Brown, CIC Sub-Detachment Commander at lead- quarters Fourth Air Force, and stated in substance: That he, Arnold, and Capt Smith had arrived in Tacoma to investigate the purported flying disc explosion on a sur- face craft on 21 June 47. This investigation was requested and financed by a r. R. A. Palmer of the Venture Press, 305 Studie Bldg., 1718 Sherman Avenue, Evanston, Illinois.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

AGENT'S NOTE: See Inclosure 1 and Inclosure 2. The signature to Inclosure 2, r. Dave Johnson, is that of the editor of the Idaho Daily Statesman. Mr. Johnson is a former Army Air Force officer and from all indications is a very patriotic American. On the receipt of Inclosure 2 at Headquarters Fourth Air Force, this officer requested the San Francisco FBI Office to check the Chicago FBI Office for R. A. Palmer and the Venture Press. The return answer, by telephone, was to the effect that the Chicago indices of the FBI, the Chicago Police, and Credit Bureau had no record on R. A. Palmer or the Venture Press.

2. LA Brown and Capt Davidson arrived at MeChord Field during the afternoon of 31 July 47. They changed from their uniforms to civilian clothing in the aircraft and, on being queried by Operations as to why they desired transportation to Tacoma, they replied they were to make a speech.

AGENT'S NOTE: This was in compliance with par 4, 1tr fr q ADC, Pile D855.610, 7 Jul 47, subje Investigation of Flying Disc.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

According to Major George Sander, Public Information Officer, NeChord Field, The Tacoma Times received an anonymous telephone call that Arnold and Saith were present in the Winthrop Hotel for the purpose of conducting an investigation on the flying disc. The Taoone Times checked and found this to be true, much to Arnold's and Smith's surprise. Lt Brown and Capt Davidson did interview Mr. Harold A. Dahl, Mr. Fred L. Crisman, in a hotel room in the Winthrop Hotel, Tacoma, Wash., in the presence of Mr. Arnold and Capt Smith. If notes were taken of this conversation, they were de- stroyed in the aircraft accident. Mr. Arnold stated to Major Sander that Lt Brown obtained from Mr. Dahl and Mr. Crisman samples of an unidentified substance that were identical to those appearing in Inclosures 3 to 7. The samples pictured in Inclosures S to 7 wore taken by Mr. Arnold from the same box that Dahl and Crisman offered Lt. Brown and from which he obtained his samples. T/Sgt Matthews, Crew Chief on the wreeked aircraft, upon being interrogated by this officer, stated that he placed a heavy cardboard carton in the rear compartment of the B-25 that crashed. He did not look in the box nor hear any comments from Le Brown or Capt Davidson es to its con- tents.

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flattened similar to a deflated automobile innertube. They were judged by Dahl to be approximately 100 feet soross with a 25 foot opening in the center. The outer edge of the object had round portholes and the inner ring had square windows or portholes. The dises were silent and from his viewpoint he could see no means of propulsion. One of these discs appeared to falter and waver in the air, another of these aforementioned five disos dropped down close to the dise that appeared to waver and bumped it, dumping "tons" of the stuff as pictured in inclosure 3 to 7 on his boat, knocking off the handrail, horn, and generally damaging the boat to the extent of $200.00, and killing Dahl's dog.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

AGEST'S NOTE: This officer, in the company of Major Sander, boarded the aforemen tioned boat where it was dooked in the Tacoma harbor on 6 Aug 47. A hand rail was missing, but the area where the hand rail was previously fastened had been painted over with several coats of paint and was oracked by the weather. The deck and roof of the cabin was of a very thin construction and the cabin further had glass on the front and aides. It is this officer's opinion that if any of the objects presented by Dahl as samples of the material dropped by the flying disc had hit this boat, it would have certainly been necessary to replace the foredeck and the cabin roof. These two arens were very heavily coated with several coats of paint and had deep weather oracks that would take several seasons to nequiro.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

Mr. Grisman, who owns the boat and operates a shoreline water patrol for various business firms, evidently visited the area at Maury Island to check Bahl's story. He is supposed to have stated that he found the material that he presented to Lt Brown and Capt Davidson in a sand pit near where the incident was supposed to have occurred. While he, Criamn, was at the scene of the incident, a flying disc came out of the clouds and behaved in a similar manner as the ones previously described.

AGENT'S NOTE: The witnessing on two occasions, in broad daylight, of an object so large and clearly visible within several miles of the city of Income certainly should have been seen and reported on by other then Dahl and Crisman. A check was made of the newspapers on and after 21 June and no mention could be found of a mysterious object appearing over the Tacona harbor.

Mr. Crisman is supposed to have sont samples of the objects that he picked up in the Naury Island sand pit to a friend of his at the University of Chicago for an analysis report. Ho la reported to have not received the analysis report.

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contact either Mr. Dahl or Mr. Grisman, without success. Capt Smith and Mr. Arnold departed the facoms area on 3 August 47, therefore, this officer did not have the opportunity of conversing with them directly.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

AGENT'S NOTE: & record check was made by telephone by Mr. Brady with the Seattle Field Office, FBI, for records on Mr. Crisman and Mr. Dehl. The shook on Mr. Crisman zee negative. The Seattle FBI indions indicated that a Harold Dahl had been charged with two incidente of illegal wearing of the uniform and one with theft of national property. It could not be determined at the time whether Harold A. Dahl, the subject in question, and Harold Dahl of the FBI indices, was one and the same.

5. Mr. Crisman had indicated to Capt Smith, Arnold, et al, that he was a former fighter pilot and held commission as Captain in the Air Reserve.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## DETAILS: (cont.)

AGENT'S NOTE: On 6 August 47, this officer checked the records of the 400th AAF 30(RT) and determined that Fred L. Crian was registered with that Reserve Unit as Captain, Serial Humber O-758951, with residence at 125 Woodland, Tacoma, Washington, Primary MOS 1054 and 1055. In 1042 ho was with the Criminal Investigation Division, State of Washington, and previously had been an oil technician with the Union Pacifie Railway. Crisman entered the service in 1942 as an enlisted man and served as such for seventeen months. In 1943 he was commissioned on graduation from flying school and served a total of twenty-nine months. A check of the Tacoma city directory was made on Barold A. Dahl, which indiented his home was at 3903 . Gobe St., tolephone: Proctor 7117. Business address was listed as 235 Middle Waterways telephone: Broad- way 7733.

## RECOMMENDATION:

1. That no further investigation be undertaken on this specifie incident by Army Air Force personel.

2. That in view of the reported statements by Mr. Crisman, that consideration be given to revoke his Air Reserve commission and flying status as an undesirable and unreliable officer.

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# VENTURE PRESS

305 STUDIO BUILDING

1718 SHERMAN AVENUE

EVANSTON, ILLINOIS

July 22, 1947

Mr. Kenneth Arnold,
Boise, Idaho

10

Proctor

7116

Dear Mr. Arnold:

Quite obviously you have been ribbed so much you'd like to forget the flying saucers--but I'd sure like to have your personal story, your photo, pio of your plane, etc, as I asked before. And you won't be made to look silly, because there's more to this than the newspapers and the "experts" have made of it.

Besides the article, I have another proposition, You seem to get around quite a bit, and if you can make a trip to Tacoma, Washington at all feasible, I'd be willing to pay expenses plus a nice amount to make it worth your while.

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STANDARD NO. 64

# Office Memom. UNITED STAL GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI <signature>
DATE: 7-29-47
FROM : SAC, Boston
SUBJECT: METAL FRAGMENTS OBSERVED AT WEST RINDGE, NEW HAMPSHIRE, JULY 7, 1947
SECURITY MATTER (X)

Reference is made to Boston teletype to the Bureau dated July 18, 1947.

# Office Memom. UNITED STAL GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Dean John M. Bunker, the original informant, has advised that a spectographic examination has been completed of the metal particles referred to. They were determined to be of ordinary cast iron which had been subjected to a very high degree of heat. The heat caused scales to be formed on the cast iron which were originally thought to be of some metallic alloy.

# Office Memom. UNITED STAL GOVERNMENT (cont.)

The scientist examining the particles concluded that if they had come through the air from any great altitude in as small pieces as they were found then most of the heat would have been taken from them by the time they reached the ground and fires would not have resulted. It is noted they landed approximately 700 feet from a railroad track and inquiries were conducted by MIT to determine whether or not the particles could have been originally a part of a liner in a smoke stack or some other part of the steam engine. These inquiries resulted in positive information that the particles did not come from a train or locomotive. Measurements of the four pieces examined revealed that they had most likely been originally all part of one hollow cylinder, eight inches in diameter and three sixteenths of an inch in thickness. It was felt that one piece falling from a great height would have still retained a good part of its heat and probably would have smashed when it hit the ground.

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It is noted that the original Boston teletype reflected that this inquiry was being treated as "secret" matter at MIT. (b) (7)(D) has advised that the comparatively small number of research scientists at MIT during the summer are all cognizant of the incident and the results of the research. However, no publicity has been given and it is not anticipated that any will result. The Bureau's interest is not known to the scientists at MIT. There has been no speculation that a guided missile originating in a foreign land landed in New Hampshire.

As indicated above, unless the Bureau requests specifically further investigative action, this case is being closed in the Boston Office.

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AL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

Mr. Tolson.

Mr. E. A. Tamm.

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FBI BUTTE

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DIRECTOR, FBI

Mir. Nease

FLYING FLYING DISCS. ON INSTANT DATE A. C. URIE OF TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, INFORMED LOCAL NEWSPAPER THAT COMMUNITY THAT AT ONE PM ON WEDNESDAY LAST, AUGUST THIRTEEN, HE AND TWO SONS BILLIE, AGE TEN, KEITH, AFXXX AGE EIGHT, SAW AN OBJECT NINE MILES NORTHWEST OF TWIN FALLS, RE- SEMBLING FLYING DISC. URIE STATED THIS OBJECT WAS PROCEEDING FXXX DOWN SALMON RIVER AT TERRIFIC SPEED ESTIMATED BY HIM AT ONE THOUSAND MILES PER HOUR. URIE AND SONS DESCRIBED OBJECT TO NEWSPAPERS AS TWENTY FEET LONG, TEN FEET WIDE AND TEN FEET THICK, LIGHT SKY BLUE IN COLOR AND ALSO OBSERVED FLAMES EMANATING FROM SIDES OF OBJECT. AT TIME URIE AND SONS SAW OBJECT THEY ALL HEARD LOUD SWISH WHEN OBJECT DISAPPEARED FRIM SIGHT. CURRENT EFFORTS BEING MADE TO INTER- VIEW URIE AND SONS PURSUANT TO BUREAU BULLETIN FORTY TWO, SUB DIVISION B, DATED JULY THIRTY NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN. BUREAU WILL BE PROMPTLY 1 AND FULLY INFORMED OF ALL PERTINENT DEVELOPMENTS.

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Men

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GOVERNMENT

TO : The Director
FROM : Mr. D. M. Ladd
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS

DATE: August 14 1947

Mr.

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Mr. Rosen

Mr. Tracy

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concerning newspaper reports of flying discs in the Portland area and the r: In connection with your request to be advised as to the facts 1r. Harbo Mr. Hendon r. Pennington [ ]
the Portland Office has advised that Leaveritt G. Richards, aviation reported conference of army officials in Portland concerning flying discs,r. Nease Miss Beah Miss Gandy Tele. Room [ ]
editor of the "Oregonian," has stated that Captain William L. Davidson
and Lieutenant Frank M. Brown of the Fourth AAF Headquarters, San Francisco,
were in Portland on July 27, 1947. While in Portland they interviewed Dick
Rankin, an experienced pilot, who had reported that he observed, on June 14,
a formation of ten flying discs over Bakersfield, California. Richards added
that Davidson and Brown had also interviewed the following four experienced
pilots who were among the first to report seeing discs, Kenneth Arnold, businessman
from Boise, Idaho; Captain E. J. Smith, a co-pilot; Ralph Stevens, United Airlines
and Dave Johnson, aviation editor, Idaho"Statesman." In order to determine the
purpose of these interviews Richards contacted Major General Twining of Wright Field,
Ohio, and from him gained the impression that the AAF instituted this investigation
to wash out the disc reports since they are definitely not of AAF origin.

# dum UNITED (cont.)

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On Friday, August 1, the plane in which AAF investigators, Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown, were flying, crashed at Kelso, Washington and both were killed. The wreckage was screened by AAF Intelligence from McChord Field. The "Tacoma News Tribune" and through them the United Press put out a story that the plane was carrying parts of a disc which had struck a boat owned by Harold Dahl and Fred Chrisman. It has also been inferred that this plane was sabotaged to prevent these disc parts from being examined.

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MR. JONES

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# August 14, 1947

# FLYING DISCS

The "Tacoma News Tribune" and through them the United Press put out a story that an army plane which was allegedly carrying parts of a disc which had struck a boat owned by Harold Dahl and Fred Chrisman had crashed on August 1, 1947, killing two Air Force Intelligence officers who were interviewing persons who were alleged to have seen flying discs.

# FLYING DISCS (cont.)

Harold A. Dahl and Fred Chrisman, when interviewed by Bureau Agents, advised in a signed statement on August 7, 1947, that in the early part of June, 1947, they picked up some strange rock formations from a gravel pit on Mauri Island, Washington. They sent a cigar box of these formations to one Ray Palmer, editor of the Venture magazine in Evanston, Illinois and also editor of the Fantasy magazine in Chicago, Illinois. According to them they requested Palmer to make only a chemical analysis of the rock formations. Palmer then wrote asking for additional samples stating he had been unable to analyze the material. Dahl and Chrisman remarked that a few days after the flying disc stories appeared during the latter part of June, Palmer contacted them by telephone saying he would pay for an exclusive story if the materials they had sent him were fragments of a flying disc. Dahl said he wrote Palmer a letter in which he represented the material as being a part of a flying disc, and both Dahl and Chrisman admitted that this statement was entirely false.

# FLYING DISCS (cont.)

Dahl and Chrisman then received a call from one Kenneth Arnold of Boise, Idaho who requested them to meet him at the Winthrop Hotel in Tacoma on July 31, 1947. According to them Arnold called in army intelligence officers from Hamilton Field, California and one Captain Emil H. Smith of United Airlines of Seattle, Washington to attend this meeting. Dahl and Chrisman maintained they told the intelligence officers Captain Davidson, Lieutenant Brown, Kenneth Arnold and Emil H. Smith exactly how they got the rock formations and that they had no connection with any flying discs. Dahl and Chrisman stated that they then furnished some of the rock formation to the intelligence officers as samples.

Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown left Tacoma, Washington in a B-25 to return to Hamilton Field, California about 2:30 A.M. August 1, 1947, and were killed when their plane crashed at Kelso, Washington, after the left engine burned out an exhaust stack which in turn caught the left wing on fire which caused it to break off. The crew chief and each officer parachuted to safety.

Ernie Vogel, an Associated Press wireman at Tacoma advised that two or three days after the flying disc story started he contacted Dahl to check the story

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that the Seattle Post-Intelligencer had received from the Fire Chief at Harbor, Washington, to the effect that Dahl had some flying disc fragments. At this time Dahl admitted to Vogel that the entire story was false.

Relative to Arnold, Dahl and Chrisman stated that he was paid by Ray Palmer of the Fantasy magazine and possibly the "Boise "Statesman" to come to Tacoma and obtain a story from them regarding the flying disc fragments.

On July 31 and August 1, a total of five anonymous calls were received by a Tacoma Times reporter and the United Press Wireman at Tacoma giving information regarding the meeting at the Winthrop Hotel over the disc fragments and stating that the B-25 had been shot down or sabotaged which killed Captain Davidson and Lieutenant Brown, inferring that this was done because the intelligence officers were carrying disc fragments in their plane.

Dahl and Chrisman stated that these calls could only have come from themselves, Arnold or Smith, who, they stated, had a friend on the Chicago Times and was possibly selling the story to the Chicago Times through this friend. Dahl and Chrisman denied making these calls.

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# Federal Bureau of Investigat

# United States Department of Justice

407 U. S. Court House
Seattle 4, Washington
August 18, 1947

Rif (feher

DIRECTOR, FBI

RE: FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD A. DAHL, TACOMA, WASHINGTON
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Dear Sir:

The following, in general, are the facts regarding the flying disc story that started by FREE CRISMAN and HAROLD A. DAHL which subsequently resulted in news stories by the Tacoma Times, the Boise Statesman and the Chicago Times that a B-25 carrying Army Intelligence officers was shot down or sabotaged over Kelso, Washington on August 1, 1947 because it was carry- ing some flying disc fragments.

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

The original story, as related by FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD DAHL, was to the effect that DAHL, while patrolling in his boat near Maury Island, Washington, sighted six flying discs, one of which fluttered to the earth and disintegrated, showering his boat with fragments which caused some damage to the boat and killed his dog. HAROLD DAHL wrote a letter to RAY A. PALMER of Siff-Davis Company which publishes fantastic adventure magazines in Chicago, sending him fragments of the flying disk and relating the above story. RAY PALMER requested Trans-Radio News in Chicago to verify the story as related by HAROLD DAHL and FRED CRISMAN telegraphed RAY PALMER confirming DAHL's story. RAY PALMER then engaged KENNETH ARNOLD, Boise, Idaho, who was the first to report sighting the flying disc and whom RAY PALMER had previously made a contract for a story regarding the flying disc, to come to Tacoma and check the story as related by FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD DAHL.

ENCL. ATTACHED

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

August 19, 1947

this meeting. KENNETH ARNOLD, Captain EMIL J. SMITH, FRED CRISMAN, HAROLD DAHL, Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN of Army A-2 Intelligence from Hamilton Field, California, all met in ARNOLD's room at various times during the afternoon and evening of July 31, 1947 and discussed the flying disc story as related by CRISMAN and DAHL. The Army Intelligence Officers, Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN, left about 2:00 A. M. the morning of August 1, 1947 to return to Hamilton Field, California for Air Force Day in a B-25 and were carrying some of the reported disc fragments. The left engine on the B-25 burned an exhaust stack which in turn caught the left wing afire, the wing subsequently breaking off and tearing off the tail. The B-25 crashed, killing Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN. However, the Crew Chief and a hitch-hiker parachuted to safety. Intelligence Officers at McChord Field, Washington advised there was no indication of any sabotage. The plane crashed at Kelso, Washington approximately 2:50 A. M. August 1, 1947.

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

Five anonymous calls were received by a reporter, Tacoma Times, and the United Press Wireman, Tacoma, between 11:30 A. M., July 31, 1947 and 5:30 P. M., August 2, 1947. The first call was to a Tacoma Times reporter approximately 11:30 A. M., July 31, in which the caller stated that there was a meeting taking place at that time in room 502 of the Winthrop Hotel concerning the disc fragments found on Maury Island. The second call was received between 11:00 A. M. and 12:00 noon, August 1, 1947 by the Tacoma Times reporter in which the caller advised that at that moment a big meeting was taking place in ARNOLD's room number 502, Winthrop Hotel; that the B-25 which crashed was carrying disc fragments and that McChord Field officials had stated it was shot down or sabotaged. The third call was received Friday, August 1, 1947 at 5:30 P. M. by the United Press Wireman, Tacoma, in which the caller stated that the B-25 which crashed at Kelso, Washington was carrying flying disc fragments and that the dead officers were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN, A-2 Intelligence Officers at Hamilton Field, California. This call was prior to the release of the dead officers' names by Army authorities and the caller indicated that when the names were released, it would verify the information he was furnishing was correct. The fourth phone call was received at approximately 6:45 P. M., Friday, August 1 by the United Press Wireman in which call the caller stated the B-25 was definitely shot down and that if he contacted Army Intelligence officers, they would not deny it. The fifth phone call was received by the United Press Wireman, Tacoma, at 5:30 P. M. August 2, 1947 at which time the caller stated the B-25 was shot down from the air with a 20 m.m. cannon; that the Marine plane found recently on Mt. Rainier had also been shot down and that Captain SMITH would be taken to Wright Field Tuesday morning. When the Army authorities released the names of the dead Intelligence officers which verified the information as given by the anonymous caller, the Tacoma Times printed this story on August 2, 1947 and carried several articles thereafter inferring that the B-25 had been shot down or sabotaged because of the fact that it was carrying disc fragments. DAHL and CRISMAN have admitted that the material which they sent to RAY PALMER had no connection with any flying discs and have given a signed statement to that effect which are being

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forwarded herein. DAHL and CRISMAN deny, however, that they actually started the flying disc story and their actual part in the story. United Airlines pilot, EMIL J. SMITH, states that DAHL and CRISMAN on July 31, 1947, both related their original flying disc fragment story. Information gathered would indicate that the anonymous phone calls were possibly made by FRED CRISMAN in order to build up the flying disc story to the point where they could make a profitable sale of the story to RAY PALMER, Chicago, Illinois. No facts have been developed which would definitely prove that CRISMAN made these calls. However, from all facts and information gathered, it appears he is probably the most likely to have made the anonymous calls. The detailed interviews of the persons contac- ted in regard to this flying disc story are being set out below.

The following investigation was conducted by Special Agent DAVID A. MacCULLOCH at Tacoma, Washington on August 6, 7, 1947:

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

ERNIE VOGEL, Associated Press Wireman, Tacoma, Washington, advised that in the early part of June, 1947 he was requested by the Seattle Post Intelligencer to check on a story which he was informed had been obtained from the Fire Chief at Harper, Washington. The story was supposed to have originated with FRED CRISMAN. Mr. VOGEL stated that the story was to the effect that DAHL, while patrolling in his boat near Maury Island, saw five or six flying discs, one of which fluttered toward the ground and finally disintegrated. Fragments of the disc were reported to have showered down on the boat of HAROLD DAHL, causing some damage and killing his dog. Mr. VOGEL stated that he went to the home of HAROLD DAHL on 3903 North Gove, Tacoma, Washington to check with him on this flying disc story. He stated that as best he could recall, this was just a few days after the first flying disc stories had appeared in the paper and was on a Sunday evening. He believed it was the early part of June. He stated that DAHL took him in the kitchen and proceeded to talk about this flying disc story in low muffled tones. He stated that DAHL acted rather suspicious and that shortly his wife came into the kitchen and was in a considerable rage, telling DAHL to admit that the entire story was a plain fantasy which he had dreamed up. He stated that after his wife told DAHL to admit the entire story was false, that DAHL then admitted that there was nothing whatever to the story and it was an entire hoax. VOGEL stated that in view of the enraged condition of DAHL's wife, he immediately left and reported to the he Seattle Post Intelligencer that the entire story was a hoax and that they should not print it in any way, He further stated that he advised the Seattle Post Intelligencer that DAHL was a mental case and that nothing which he had reported should be carried as far as a news story. Mr. VOGEL stated that since that time he had received repeated requests from the Boise Statesman requesting information as to the flying disc stories reportedly originating with FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD DAHL. VOGEL stated that he had never, in his experience, had such pressure brought upon him to release a news story and that he repeatedly advised the Boise Statesman that the story of seeing the flying discs by DAHL and CRISMAN was a complete fabri-

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# August 19, 1947

cation and should be in no way, carried as a news story and refused to furnish any information regarding these reports. He further stated that he advised the Boise Statesman shortly before, or at the time KENNETH ARNOLD left Boise. to come to Tacoma to check on the flying disc stories with DAHL and CRISMAN, that ARNOLD should not come as the entire story was a hoax.

PAUL LANTZ,

The following information was obtained from PAUL 4513 South 7th, Tacoma, Washington, Proctor 8416, a reporter for the Tacoma Times:

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

It was the Tacoma Times paper which first issued a story on August 2 and subsequent stories intimating that the B-25 which crashed at Kelso, Washington on the early morning of August 1, had been sabotaged or shot down because of the fact that it carried flying disc fragments. LANTZ stated that on Thursday, July 31, at approximately 11:30 A. M. he received an anonymous phone call in which the caller stated that KENNETH ARNOLD and Army Intelligence officers were meeting in room 502 of the Winthrop Hotel to check on the flying disc story from which fragments were obtained on Maury Island. LANTZ stated he turned around to speak to his editor and when he picked up the phone again the line was dead. He stated that the caller asked for BURT MCMURTIE, a reporter on the Tacoma Times who was out at the time of the call. He stated that BURT MCMURTIE called ARNOLD at room 502 in the Winthrop Hotel and was advised by ARNOLD that he could furnish no information as he was there on a Government mission. LANTZ stated that on Friday, August 1, between 11:00 A. M. and noon, he received another phone call for BURT MCMURTIE in which the anonymous caller stated that he might have some information for him. LANTZ asked the caller if he was not the same party that had called the previous date and he said yes. The caller then related that at that moment there was a big meeting in progress in ARNOLD's room, 502, in the Winthrop Hotel; that the B-25 which crashed that morning in Kelso was carrying flying disc fragments from California and that McChord Field officials had stated the plane was sabotaged or shot down. The caller then hung up after making some statement to the effect that he was a switchboard operator. LANTZ stated that he went to the Winthrop Hotel on Friday about noon and found that there was no male operator on duty. He stated he then went to room 502 and ARNOLD answered the door and that Captain EMIL J. SMITH, United Airlines pilot, was on the phone. LANTZ stated that he heard SMITH make a statement to the effect that the information must be very strictly confidential. He stated that there were one or two others in the room besides SMITH and ARNOLD, but that he could not identify them. He stated that ARNOLD told him he could make no statement and that he had attempted to check the story with various people on Maury Island with negative results. He stated that about 3:30 P. M., Friday, he wrote a story regarding the mysterious informant and called ARNOLD at his hotel room, stating that he had written this story and that ARNOLD had better check it. He stated that he talked to TED MORRELLO, the United Press Wireman, Tacoma, who advised that the story sounded fantastic. LANTZ stated that about 5:30 P. M., Friday, August 1, an anonymous caller called TED MORRELLO, the

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

United Press Wireman, stating that Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN were the Intelligence officers that were killed in the crash of the B-25 and that civilians and the sheriff had been kept away from the wreckage with the Army guarding it. He stated the anonymous caller then said that the names had not been released yet by the Army and that this would verify his statements. PAUL LANTZ stated that the following morning, Saturday, August 2, the Army verified that the officers killed were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN and two days later verified that they were Army Intelligence officers. LANTZ stated that the anonymous caller again later contacted TED MORRELLO, calling him by that name, and at this time stated he did not call the Tacoma News Tribune or the Associated Press and denied calling PAUL LANTZ or BURT MCMURTIE. In this call the anonymous caller stated that, "Don't think I'm doing this for you." He then asked if the story had been put on the wire and when MORRELLO said yes, the caller stated, "We want this to get back to New Jersey." The caller further stated that the B-25 was shot down by a 20 m.m. cannon and that the marine plane which was recently found wrecked on the side of Mt. Rainier, having been missing for several months, had also been shot down. The caller stated to MORRELLO that he should get in touch with a flyer named MORGAN with United Airlines who, he stated, was with Captain SMITH when they were shot at over Montana. The caller then stated, "I'll see you Tuesday. I'm going to San Francisco." LANCE stated that he had checked with Captain EMIL SMITH of United Airlines who denied knowing any pilot by the name of MORGAN; denied ever having flown over Montana. LANTZ stated that MORRELLO received another anonymous call in which the caller stated that SMITH would be sent to Wright Field on Tuesday and that Saturday one of the men who found fragments of the flying disc was to be flown to Alaska. LANTZ stated that in view of the fact that the information as to the Intelligence officers on the B-25 had been as furnished by the anonymous caller, had subsequently been verified by the Army, the story was released that the B-25 was carrying disc fragments returning to Hamilton Field, California and furnishing the inference that the plane had been sabotaged or shot down. LANTZ stated that about 8:00 P. M. on Sunday, August 3, he contacted Captain EMIL SMITH at his home, 3027 West Laurelhurst Drive, Seattle at which time SMITH stated he had not given any story out to the Post Intelligencer at Seattle; stated that he had gotten a telegram to call a number in Boise and when he called and found out it was the Boise Statesman, he had hung up. He stated that the Boise Statesman then contacted him, at which time he admitted he had seen the disc fragments, but that he did not take any of them. This time SMITH informed LANTZ that he had been with Major GEORGE SANDERS, Public Relations Officer from McChord Field, all afternoon until about 3:45 P. M. SMITH informed LANTZ that he had told the Army authorities every- thing that he and ARNOLD knew about the flying disc fragments story from the time that KENNETH ARNOLD left Boise, Idaho and he had left Seattle, Washington. This time SMITH admitted that there were some of the supposed disc fragments in ARNOLD's room at the Winthrop Hotel and that CRISMAN and DAHL had been in the room Thursday afternoon. On Monday PAUL LANTZ stated that he called HAROLD DAHL who advised that if this were not used in the paper, he and FRED

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CRISMAN would see him after lunch. LANTZ stated that about noon DAHL and CRISMAN contacted him at which time DAHL stated that he and his son had been exploring a gravel pit on Maury Island and found some strange rock formations. He stated they picked up some of these samples and that FRED CRISMAN later saw them and they went back over to Maury Island at which time additional samples were obtained and that CRISMAN sent these to a friend of his at the University of Chicago to have analyzed. They stated that they received a report and that apparently this friend had asked a newpaperman to find out where the rock formations were obtained. CRISMAN and DAHL told LANTZ that sometime after the first flying disc story had appeared, they received a tele- gram from Trans-Ocean Press from Chicago wanting information on the flying disc fragments. FRED CRISMAN stated that they had at no time indicated the rock formations were a part of a flying disc and that Captain EMIL SMITH and KENNETH ARNOLD were not interested in the rock formations and they denied giving them to SMITH and ARNOLD.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

TED MORRELLO, a United Press Wireman, Tacoma, Washington furnished substantially the same information that was obtained from PAUL LANTZ, the Tacoma Times reporter, regarding the anonymous phone calls which he had received. He stated further that the first call he received was on Friday, August 1, at around 5:30 P. M. At this time the caller stated that the B-25 which crashed at Kelso, Washington was carrying disc fragments and that the two officers killed were Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN, officers with Army A-2 Intelligence at Hamilton Field and that the fragments were top secret material. He stated the caller indicated that when the Army released the names of the dead officers it would verify that the information he was furnishing was correct. MORRELLO stated that the second call he received at approximately 6:45 P. M. Friday, August 1 at which time the caller stated that the B-25 was definitely shot down and that if he contacted Army Intelligence A-2, the man in charge would not deny it. MORRELLO stated he thought the man said to con- tact Colonel GUYS, but it was found out it was Colonel GREGG who was in charge of Army Intelligence A-2. The caller further stated that the Sheriff's Office had been kept away from the crash and that no civilians had been allowed near the plane. MORRELLO stated the third call he received at 5:30 P. M., August 2, and that this time the caller stated that one of the men who had been conferring with Captain SMITH and KENNETH ARNOLD was taken to Alaska that day. The caller further stated that the B-25 was shot down from the air with a 20 m.m. cannon; that the Marine plane found recently on Mt. Rainier had also been shot down; that Captain SMITH would be taken to Wright Field Tuesday morning and that a United Airlines pilot by the name of MORGAN flew with Captain SMITH when they were shot at over Montana. The daller stated he was leaving for San Francisco and would be back Tuesday.

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refuse to furnish any further information.

On August 5, 1947 Special Agent DAVID A. MacCULLOCH was contacted in the resident agency office, Tacoma, Washington by PRED CRISMAN. At this time CRISMAN asked if the Seattle Office was investigation the crash of the B-25 and he was informed that no investigation was being conducted by the Seattle Office. CRISMAN at this time related in a rambling story that he had picked up some strange rock formations which he had forwarded to a friend of his in the University of Chicago to have analyzed and that later, in some manner unknown to him, these rock formations had been reported as being frag- ments of a flying disc.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

On August 7, 1947 FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD DAHL were inter- viewed at the Tacoma resident agency office. Both DAHL and CRISMAN at first denied any knowledge of how the rock formations which they had picked up to have alalyzed became connected with the flying disc stories. Both denied making any statement to anyone that these rock formations were portions of a disc fragment. It was apparent from the start of the interview that DAHL and CRISMAN were not telling their complete and true connection with the flying disc story. They refused to give any definite information as to what they said or had done which caused them to become involved in a flying disc story, but gave evasive answers and repeatedly stated that they had nothing to do with it and were at a loss to understand how they became connected with the flying disc story. After considerable questioning, they stated that in the early part of June they sent to RAY PALMER of the Ziff-Davis Publishing Company which published the Fantasy magazine in Chicago and the Venture magazine in Evanston, Illinois, some rock formations which they had found on Maury Island. They stated they sent these formations, asking PALMER to have them analyzed. They stated that later PALMER wrote and asked for more samples, advising he had failed to analyze the samples. CRISMAN and DAHL stated they have never sent any additional samples and that the next they heard regarding the rock formations which they had sent PAIMER was when he called HAROLD DAHL and asked if the rock formations could have come from a flying disc. DAHL stated he made some remark that they possibly could have come from a flying disc and that he immediately sat down and wrote a letter to PALMER, which was in the latter part of June in which he stated the material could have been portions of a flying disc. DAHL claimed that he thought he told PALMER over the phone something about being in his boat when he obtained these rock formations, but stated he could not recall what he had written to PALMER and claimed that he passed the whole thing off as a joke. CRISMAN and DAHL were questioned at length in an attempt to obtain specific information as to exactly what each one had done with regard to the rock forma- tions. However, each stated that the only thing they had done was tell RAY PAIMER the formations could have come from a flying disc in view of the fact it appeared "that's what he wanted them to say". No definite information could be obtained from either DAHL or CRISMAN as to what each specifically had done to start the flying disc story.

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# August 19, 1947

DAHL and in which they admitted the rock formations had no connection with any flying discs is being forwarded to the Bureau herewith. The statement contains no information of value and therefore is not being set forth herein.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

Regarding the meeting which was held in the Winthrop Hotel on Thursday, July 31, CRISMAN and DAHL stated that they both met KENNETH ARNOLD there about 1:00 P. M. They stated that they all left ARNOLD's room about 3:00 P. M. and that CRISMAN took ARNOLD to Berry's Airport at Tacoma and ARNOLD flew his plane to Seattle where he picked up Captain EMIL SMITH. CRIS- MAN stated that he picked up ARNOLD and SMITH at Berry's Airport about 5:00 P. M. and that HAROLD DAHL came to ARNOLD's room about 7:00 P. M. CRISMAN stated that he and SMITH left about 8:30 P. M. when he drove SMITH to Seattle to get his car and that DAHL went home at this time. CRISMAN stated they returned about 11:30 P. M. at which time the Army Intelligence officers were in ARNOLD's room and that CRISMAN left about midnight. He stated that he returned to ARNOLD's room Friday afternoon for approximately one-half hour from 2:30 to 3:00 P. M., at which time ARNOLD and SMITH were still there and neither seemed to be able to recall if DAHL was in ARNOLD's room on Friday, August 1. The best that could be obtained from CRISMAN and DAHL as to what took place in ARNOLD's room was to the effect that most of the talk was about flying, that no one seemed very interested in the rock formations and that they had no connection as far as they knew with any flying disc. CRISMAN Stated that KENNETH ARNOLD wanted to obtain pictures of the place where the rock formations were obtained and that the Army Intelligence officers did not appear to be interested in any manner whatever.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

HAROLD DAHL operates the Commercial Lumber Company at 235 Millwater Avenue, Tacoma, Washington and FRED CRISMAN has recently been working with him buying timber. They have also been associated with the Harbor Patrol Association at Tacoma, Washington which furnishes patrol and police pro- tection to parts of the harbor area which are not patrolled by Tacoma police or Sheriff's officers. FRED CRISMAN resides at 125 Woodland, Tacoma, Washington, Army serial number 0-758-951. During the war he was a pilot and it is believed presently holds a Reserve Officer's commission as a Captain.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947

August 3. A record of the phone calls made from room 502 during this period was made by Miss SARAH LANGBERG. This record reveals that KENNETH ARNOLD on July 31 called PALMER at AN-5200, Evanston, Illinois, collect. On the same date called Lieutenant BROWN at 5800 Hamilton Field, California, collect. ARNOLD also called 0109-J in Boise, Idaho on July 31. On August 1 ARNOLD called LON-4936, Portland; PALMER at Dearborn 5200, Chicago; and SMITH called RODDY at Dearborn 2323 at Chicago. Both Chicago calls were collect. The remainder of the calls appear to be personal calls and are not being set out. A record of the phone calls made are being retained as an exhibit in the Seattle Office.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

The following information was obtained by Special Agent PIERRE H. LEVEC in interview on August 12, 1947 with Captain EMIL J. SMITH, 3027 West Laurehurst Drive, United Airlines pilot: It should be noted that Captain SMITH has previously received publicity for having supposedly seen flying discs or similar objects on July 4, last while on a routine United Air- lines flight out of Boise, Idaho in company with his co-pilot RALPH LPH STEVENS, concerning this incident. Captain SMITH states that they took off from Boise, Idaho at 8:12 P. M. and headed Northwest at 300 degrees and while still climbing at 8,000 feet, co-pilot STEVENS called his attention to some objects in the sky ahead of them about ten degrees left which neither one could identify. SMITH states that he called a CAA radio operator at Ontario, Oregon and reques- ted him to step outside his radio shack and see if he could see any of these. objects overhead. The CAA radio operator replied in the negative.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

Captain SMITH states that he first met KENNETH ARNOLD on July 5 in the offices of the Seattle Post Intelligencer where both were being interviewed concerning their sighting of flying discs. SMITH states that he next met ARNOLD about three weeks ago in Boise, Idaho at which time he, SMITH, was on another flight through Boise, Idaho and had a ten minute lay-over there. On this occasion ARNOLD was in company of Captain WILLIAM L. DAVIDSON and Lieutenant FRANK M BROWN, Army Intelligence officers, and a reporter JOHNSON of the Boise Statesman. SMITH's next contact with ARNOLD was on Thursday, July 31, last when he received a telephone call from ARNOLD calling from Tacoma in the early afternoon at which time he asked SMITH to come over to Tacoma and join him as he was investigating a flying disc story for "someone back East" and some fragments were involved which SMITH might be interested in seeing. After some discussion SMITH agreed to join ARNOLD in Tacoma and ARNOLD told SMITH he would fly over and pick him up at Boeing Airport at 4:00 P. M. SMITH met ARNOLD at Boeing Field at about 4:00 P. M. and they flew to Berry's Airport at Tacoma, Washington where they were met by FRED CRISMAN. The three of them proceeded in CRISMAN's car to the Winthrop Hotel where ARNOLD was occupying room 502. ARNOLD ordered something to eat and during this time either ARNOLD or CRISMAN called a HAROLD DAHL and invited him up to the room. By this time SMITH states he had learned from ARNOLD that CRISMAN and DAHL were the parti- cipants in the latest flying disc story and SMITH states that he had no previous acquaintance with either of these men before meeting them in Tacoma on this date. While in the Hotel Room ARNOLD showed SMITH a letter which he had received from RAYMOND PALMER of the Venture Press of Chicago requesting that ARNOLD investigate

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

the CRISMAN-DAHL story in Tacoma. ARNOLD informed SMITH at this time that after receiving this letter he had called PAIMER by telephone in Chicago as a result of which call PALMER had forwarded him $200.00 expense money for covering the story. Shortly thereafter, at about 7:30 P. M. HAROLD DAHL arrived at the Hotel room and the discussion began among the four men present as to what DAHL and CRISMAN had seen on Maury Island. DAHL professed reluc- tance to tell the story, claiming that several unfortunate incidents had occurred subsequent to his seeing the flying discs and he believed the entire incident had brought him bad luck. In this connection he stated that four or five days subsequent to his sighting the flying discs, a man called at his home and had a conversation with him the course of which DAHL was warned to forget all about everything he had seen on or near Maury Island. In addition to that, DAHL stated that his sixteen year old son had run away from home following the incident and had been picked up by the police somewhere in Montana. After some further discussion DAHL finally agreed to tell his story of the flying disc incident in front of SMITH after eliciting a promise from SMITH that he would not discuss the matter for at least two weeks. It should be noted that DAHL had previously told his story to ARNOLD and CRISMAN. At this point DAHL related the incident which has already been described and which he alleged had taken place on or about June 23 or 24. While relating the incident DAHL mentioned that he had taken pictures of the flying disc which he had seen but that the printed films were marred with white spots. When DAHL had concluded his story, CRISMAN related that he had gone the following day to Maury Island to verify what DAHL had told him concerning the fragments and had at this time picked up several fragments and taken them with him. At this time CRISMAN related that he also saw one of the flying discs hovering over the Island but that it had disappeared into a cloud. When DAHL and CRISMAN had finished telling their story ARNOLD told the group that he had earlier in that evening called Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN, Army Intelligence officers and that they were on their way to the Hotel room. At this point DAHL protested that he did not wish to tell his story before anyone else and he was advised by SMITH that if such was the case why didn't he just leave and not be there when they arrived. CRISMAN, DAHL and SMITH then left the room and went downstairs. DAHL departed alone. CRISMAN drove SMITH back to Boeing Field near Seattle where SMITH desired to pick up his own personal car, which he did. They then returned to the Hotel where they found Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN in room 502 with KENNETH ARNOLD. ARNOLD met them at the door and seemed excited, explaining to SMITH that Captain DAVIDSON had just drawn a reproduction of a freak disc which had supposedly been seen by a woman in Arizona and that this drawing was an exact reproduction of the flying disc which he, ARNOLD, had seen several weeks before, nearing Mt. Rainier. SMITH states that shortly after this CRISMAN seemed very anxious to tell his and DAHL's story to the Army offi- cers. Before this was done, however, SMITH had a discussion with Lieutenant BROWN, informing him that they had promised DAHL not to release the story for two weeks and that if CRISMAN were allowed to tell the story at this time, BROWN and DAVIDSON must agree not to release the story for one month. Following this agreement, CRISMAN related DAHL's and his story of the flying discs over Maury

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

Island to BROWN and DAVIDSON. Following this recitation, Lieutenant BROWN, in answer to a query from SMITH, said that he and Captain DAVIDSON were of the opinion that there might be some truth in the current flying disc stories, but that their immediate superiors (presumably A-2 at Hamilton Field) did not agree with them. BROWN and DAVIDSON then held a brief discussion as to whether they should return that same night to Hamilton Field and they decided that they would. All five of the men then went down to the lobby where BROWN detached himself from the group and entered a phone booth to call for a car from McChord Field. SMITH also left the group and met BROWN outside the phone booth where they held a short discussion relative to the credibility of CRIS- MAN and DAHL's story. BROWN indicated to SMITH that he should attemt to find out if the story was on the level and that BROWN would call him the following day regarding this matter. The group then proceeded to the front of the Hotel at which time CRISMAN brought his car to the front of the Hotel and took from his trunk a box of the alleged flying disc fragments picked up on Maury Island. He offered them to BROWN and DAVIDSON and when the Army car arrived from McChord Field the box of fragments was placed in the car with the officers. CRISMAN departed alone and ARNOLD and SMITH went in search of something to eat and later returned to the Hotel for the night.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

On Friday morning, August 1, 1947, ARNOLD received a call from CRISMAN informing him that a B-25 had crashed during the night and it was believed to be the same plane which BROWN and DAVIDSON were flying. Following this call CRISMAN and DAHL came to the Hotel room and from the room CRISMAN again called McChord Field in an attempt to get information about the crash. SMITH took the phone from CRISMAN and spoke to a Colonel GREGG, identifying himself and asking if the B-25 which crashed was the only one which had taken off from McChord Field the previous night. GREGG told him that it was. Follow- ing this call ARNOLD called RAYMOND PALMER in Chicago and informed him of the previous night's conversations and the fact that DAVIDSON and BROWN were believed to have been killed. PALMER told ARNOLD to discontinue his investigation of the incident and that he, PALMER, was no longer interested. SMITH then took the phone from ARNOLD and asked PAIMER if he could shed any light on the situation. SMITH was unable to say what PALMER's reply to CRISMAN was. Fol- lowing these telephone discussions SMITH says that he called MAURICE RODDY whom he identifies as a personal friend of his and an aviation editor of the Chicago Times. SMITH states that he had previously made an agreement with RODDY in Chicago that should he ever run across any flying disc stories which showed promise of news value, that he would contact RODDY and this call was a result of that agreement. Shortly afterward, Colonel GREGG called him from McChord Field stating that Hamilton Field had requested that ARNOLD, SMITH, CRISMAN and DAHL submit their addresses to Hamilton Field for convenience of any Army investigation of the incident which may be forthcoming. After this call the four men went to a restaurant for lunch. During the course of this meal SMITH excused himself from the table and attempted to call SAC BOBBITT of the Port- land Field Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation with whom he claims acquain- tance. BOBBITT, however, was unavailable and SMITH was unable to complete the

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

call. After returning to the Hotel room, a Tacoma Times reporter called attempting to gain information, but they did not give him any. Later, a Mr. MORRELLO of the United Press called and SMITH spoke to him on the telephone but refused to give out any information. SMITH further relates that while the four men were in the room at this time, an envelope was shoved under the door and that he retrieved it from the floor. SMITH states that the appearance of this envelope seemed to startle CRISMAN considerably and that in fact, CRISMAN turned white as a sheet until SMITH read the note unsigned which was a commu- nication to the Hotel advising that a strike of Hotel employees was eminent and that guests should not expect room and telephone service much longer. Shortly after this incident DAHL and CRISMAN left the Hotel room after promising to take ARNOLD and SMITH to Maury Island the following morning, (Saturday). ARNOLD and SMITH then went out for dinner and on their return, SMITH found a note in the box requesting him to call a certain telephone number. He did this from the Hotel room and was answered by LANTZ, Tacoma Times reporter who requested SMITH to go out and call him from a pay station. SMITH complained and was. informed by LANTZ that two anonymous telephone calls had been received by him that a discussion regarding flying discs had been taking place in room 502 at the Winthrop Hotel which involved Army Intelligence officers. From the information which LANTZ had received, SMITH was convinced that the anonymous caller must have been present at the discussion also, as LANTZ was seemingly in possession of pertinent remarks which had been made in the room. SMITH states that he did not give LANTZ any further information and that in conclu- sion of the call, he returned to the Hotel room and he and ARNOLD retired for the night.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

On Saturday morning, August 2, 1947 SMITH redeived a tele- phone call from MAURICE RODDY in Chicago, but was unable to give him any further information. SMITH advised him, however, that he would call him back at 2:30 that afternoon. DAHL then called from a coffee shop nearby and ARNOLD and SMITH joined DAHL, CRISMAN and an unknown man in the Coffee Shop for breakfast. The unknown person was discussing some lumber business with DAHL and left after breakfast. On leaving the coffee shop, SMITH asked DAHL about the negatives of the photographs which he claimed to have taken of the flying discs. DAHL said the negatives were in the glove compartment of his car, but a search of the instant glove compartment was fruitless. The four then pro- ceeded in CRISMAN's car to the dock where they were to embark for Maury Island. The boat, however, could not be started and the trip was postponed until later in the day. While at the dock, however, SMITH asked to be shown the damage to the boat which had allegedly occurred when the fragments showered down on Maury Island. CRISMAN pointed out what may have been repairs to the windshield and lights on the boat, but SMITH was not personally satisfied that these repairs were made as a result of any such incident. CRISMAN and DAHL then drove ARNOLD and SMITH back to the Hotel at approximately 10:45 A. M. and CRISMAN told them he would call them later on and that they would go to Maury Island. On return- ing to the Hotel, SMITH called LANTZ at the Tacoma Times as a result of which call he and ARNOLD met LANTZ at the Coffee Shop across the street from the

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

Winthrop Hotel. SMITH stated that the purpose of this meeting was to try to find out something more about the anonymous phone calls which LANTZ had told him about. He and ARNOLD still refused to give out any further information regarding the Thursday evening conference to LANTZ and were informed by LANTZ that the Tacoma Times was afraid of being scooped on the story and was going to print something on that day. SMITH and ARNOLD then returned to the Hotel and shortly thereafter received a phone call from CRISMAN, but the call was cut off by the switchboard operator since it was not an emergency call. SMITH and ARNOLD then returned to the Hotel lobby where they found a telegram from DAHL asking them to call him at either Broadway or Proctor 7733, SMITH is not sure of the exchange. SMITH called this number, but DAHL was not there. SMITH states that he went then to the Western Union Telegraph Office and dispatched a collect telegram to MAURICE RODDY at the Chicago Times which contained a brief resume of the incidents which had occurred and which requested RODDY to wire SMITH a telephone number where RODDY could be reached after 6:00 P. M. SMITH states that he has never received an answer to that wire. Following this, SMITH states that he and ARNOLD that he and ARNOLD were sitting in the lobby of the Olympic Hotel when LANTZ entered and gave them each a copy of the latest edition of the Tacoma Times which contained a story hinting at sabotage. in the crash of the Army B-25 which killed Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN. SMITH stated that he and ARNOLD continued to occupy seats in the Hotel lobby most of the afternoon inasmuch as they were unable to receive calls in the Hotel room due to the Hotel employees' strike. He relates that he received a call in the late afternoon from LANTZ advising him to call LANTZ that evening at 8:30 as LANTZ had further information regarding the anonymous calls. SMITH also received a telegram requesting that he call Boise 6000 which he did and found that it was JOHNSON of the Boise Statesman. He refused to give JOHNSON any further information at this time. However, shortly thereafter, JOHNSON called from Boise and advised SMITH that the Army had released a story through Brigadier General SHRAM revealing the confidential assignment which BROWN and DAVIDSON had been engaged on. In view of this release, JOHNSON requested SMITH to answer one question for him which was, "Were they carrying any alleged disc fragments on the plane?" and SMITH answered, "Yes, they were." Following this SMITH called LANTZ as per his earlier request and was informed that MORRELLO of the United Press had received another anonymous phone call at which time "the voice" said that the Army B-25 carrying Captain DAVIDSON and Lieutenant BROWN had been shot down with 20 m.m. shells and that the Marine plane found on Mt. Rainier had also been shot down with 20 m.m. shells. The voice went on to state that SMITH would be called back to Wright Field on Tuesday. When MORRELLO asked why he was giving out this information the caller replied that it was not for the benefit of the newspapers, but that he was interested in seeing that the information got back to New Jersey. The voice also informed MORRELLO at this time that one of the two persons who had been talking to ARNOLD and SMITH had now left for Alaska. As a result of this latter bit of information SMITH decided to find out if CRISMAN or DAHL had left town. He located DAHL at the Sunset Theatre and DAHL came to the Hotel and met SMITH and ARNOLD. They were unable to locate CRISMAN by phone and DAHL left saying that he would try to find out where CRISMAN was and that he would call them tomorrow (Sunday) and that they would go out to Maury Island at that time. After DAHL left,

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SMITH and ARNOLD went to the Tacoma Times Office where a reporter met them and took them to MORRELLO in the United Press Office. There they read the latest press releases and had a discussion with MORRELLO regarding the anony- mous phone calls. In the course of this discussion MORRELLO mentioned the name of Major GEORGE SANDERS, Public Relations Officer at McChord Field as being one of the officers interested in the investigation.

Following this discussion with MORRELLO, at which time SMITH states they still refused to divulge any further information, SMITH and ARNOLD returned to the Hotel for the night.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

On Sunday morning, August 3, 1947, DAHL appeared at the Hotel room and told them that he had received a letter from CRISMAN which said in effect, "Take care of my business. I'll be out of town for three or four days." DAHL had a letter with him but he did not show it to SMITH or ARNOLD. The three men then drove to DAHL's secretary's house in South Tacoma and picked her up and the four of them then went to breakfast on the South Tacama highway. While the four of them then went to breakfast SMITH excused himself and called Major SANDERS at McChord Field and arranged an appointment to meet him at the Hotel lobby at 11:00 A. M. They then took DAHL's secretary to her home where DAHL picked up a typewriter and then drove SMITH and ARNOLD back to the Hotel. They asked him if he was going to take them to Maury Island that day and he replied that he was not. He further stated that he was sick of the entire business and that if he was ever contacted by the Army or the authorities he was going to deny ever having seen anything and claim to be "the biggest liar that ever lived". Shortly after returning to the Hotel, SMITH met Major SANDERS in the lobby and they went in SMITH's car to a coffee shop in South Tacoma where SMITH proceeded to tell Major SANDERS the entire story of the incidents which had occurred in Tacoma regarding the CRISMAN and DAHL story since Thursday afternoon. Following this, SMITH took Major SANDERS back to the Hotel and intro- duced him to ARNOLD and suggested to ARNOLD that he also tell Major SANDERS the entire story of what had occurred. ARNOLD did so. Major SANDERS after looking at the fragments which were still in the room suggested that they drive out to the Smelter near Tacoma as he believed the slag at the Smelter would bear a distinct resemblance to these fragments. The three men then drove to the Smelter and the slag was noted to be definitely similar to the fragments which CRISMAN and DAHL had left in the Hotel room. They then returned to the Hotel room and Major SANDERS left them. After packing their bags, SMITH took ARNOLD to Berry's Airport where his plane was parked and then SMITH drove himself back to Seattle.

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all of his information in the hands of the Army. SMITH stated that a couple of days later he called Major SANDERS at McChord Field and asked him if there was any recent information concerning the incident. SMITH states that Major SANDERS informed him that CRISMAN had not yet been contacted, but that the Federal Bureau of Investigation was "setting a trap for him". SMITH further advises that on Friday, August 8, 1947, he appeared before Lawyer JOHN NOLAN at the County-City Building, Seattle and made a deposition of the facts relating to the incidents in Tacoma from Thursday afternoon, July 31, last until Sunday morning, August 3, last.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

A copy of this deposition is now in possession of the writer and is being forwarded herewith to the Bureau. It should be noted that this deposition is in no way as complete as the statement taken by the writer above and any setting out of this deposition in this communication would be superfluous.

Copies of this communication are being sent to the Butte, Portland, San Francisco and Chicago Offices for their information only. Unless advised by the Bureau to the contrary, instant investigation is considered closed by this office.

For the information of the Bureau, Captain R. G. BJORNING, Intelligence Officer, McChord Field, Ft. Lewis, Washington advised at the weekly O.N.I.-S.I.D.-F.B.I. Intelligence conference that the Public Relations Officer at McChord Field had received a telephone call from an individual at Army Air Forces Headquarters at Washington, D. C., during which call the Public Relations Officer was requested to obtain a signed statement from DAHL and CRISMAN which could be published and thus publicly close the matter. Captain BJORNING further related that he had no additional information in this matter and that he did not handle it.

Very truly yours,

<signature>
JACK B. WILCOX
Special Agent in Charge

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ENCLOSURE

62-83894-106

ENCLOSURE

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HAROLD A. DAHL and FRED CRISMAN make the following foluntary statement to SA DAVID A. MAC CULLOCH of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

In the early part of June 1947 we picked up some strange rock formations from a gravel pit on Maury Island, Washington. We sent a box (cigar) of these fragments to RAY PALMER of Venture Magazine at Evanston Illinois to have it analyzed.

Later PALMER wrote and asked for additional samples stating that he had failed to have them analyzed.

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STATE OF WASHINGTON

SS

COUNTY OF KING

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

J. E. SMITH, being first duly sworn, on oath, deposes and says:

This is a narrative statement as to what took place in Tacoma from Thursday, July 31 until Sunday, August 3.

Thursday I received a telephone call from Tacoma from a Kenneth Arnold. The gist of this conversation was that he thought it would be a good idea for me to come to Tacoma and listen to the story of two men whose names were Fred Crismon and Harold Dahl. This Kenneth Arnold I had met two times previous once on July 5 at the office of the P.I. in Seattle for a very brief time and the second time in Boise, Idaho when I was passing through on one of my trips.

In this conversation with Arnold on the phone, I made the statement that it would be impossible for me to go over to Tacoma due to my going out to Salt Lake City the next morning. He said that he would fly over from Tacoma and pick me up at Boeing Field. I agreed to this proposition from Arnold. At 4 o'clock I met Arnold at the Boeing Field and we flew back and landed at Barry's Airport. We were picked up at the airport by Fred Crismon, who drove the two of us into the Winthrop Hotel. We went up to Room 502 -- Crismon, Arnold and myself.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## August 19, 1947 (cont.)

Fred Crismon put a telephone call into Harold Dahl and asked him would he come up to the room. A half hour later Harold Dahl made his appearance. At this time there were four men in the room -- Crismon, Dahl, Arnold, and myself. Mr. Arnold asked Mr. Dahl to relate his story as to what took place on June 24. Mr. Dahl was very hesitant about telling the story to me. Arnold and Mr. Crismon were already aware of the statements that Dahl had made previous. Mr. Dahl made the statement to me that if any statements he would make relative to his story, if I would keep it confidential for two weeks, that he felt definitely that I would want to forget the whole thing. I made the statement to Mr. Dahl that as far as I was concerned, I would keep any statements he made to me confidential for at least two weeks.

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100 feet in diameter, circular in shape, and it appeared that there was a hole in the center of each as he could see the sky through this hole. He also mentioned that on the inside of the circle or the hole, that portholes were visible. Their speed was negligible as they appeared to hover over a given spot. One of these objects appeared to be in trouble. Another object came over and appeared to make contact. After making this contact for approximately two minutes, it rose to its original position.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #2 (cont.)

At this time the object that appeared to be in trouble seemed to throw a lot of debris from one of the portholes. These objects then disappeared from view. Some of this debris that landed broke in the wheelhouse of the boat, the spotlight, and the klaxon. While this debris was falling, my boy and Mr. Knight got off the boat and hid under some logs. This debris that fell killed our dog and a sea gull. I asked Mr. Dahl what was done with the dog. He made the statement they threw the dog into the water.

This story was told to Mr. Crismon, who the next day went out to this Island to check on this story. He verified the fact of the damage to the boat, also to the fact that there appeared to be quite a few pieces of either rock or metal on the shore. Mr. Crismon also stated that while he was over there investigating on Maury Island, he also saw a disk. This disk was of the same shape and contour as the objects explained by Mr. Dahl.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #2 (cont.)

At this point Mr. Arnold clarified for me as to the reasons he was investigating this story. Mr. Arnold stated that he received a letter from a Mr. Raymond Palmer, supposedly editor of the Venture Press, Evanston, Illinois. The gist of this letter was that Mr. Palmer received a letter from Mr. Dahl and Mr. Crismon, also a package of these fragments that were found on Maury Island. Mr. Palmer also made the statement in the letter that the Chicago University failed to analyze these fragments and that would Mr. Arnold please investigate the story. Mr. Arnold was sent a Western Union check for $200.00 to take care of any expense that he might incur while making this investigation.

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #2 (cont.)

Mr. Dahl, Mr. Crismon, and myself left the hotel room to go downstairs as Mr. Crismon wanted to get some metal that was in the back of his car that he had picked up on Maury Island, to bring back to the hotel room. Mr. Harold Dahl departed.

At this time I made the statement to Mr. Crismon that I should like to pick up my car in Seattle. Mr. Crismon drove me to Boeing Field, Seattle. After leaving me at Boeing Field, he drove back to Tacoma and I drove my own car back to Tacoma. After I had put my car in the garage at Tacoma, I went up to the Winthrop Hotel and in the room at that time was Mr. Arnold, Mr. Crismon, and Captain Davidson from Army Intelligence. Lieutenant Brown was downstairs getting sandwiches and coffee. When Lieut. Brown came back, the stories were again related and Lieut. Brown made a statement that all the facts of these stories would be held in strictest confidence until released by Mr. Dahl.

After Mr. Crismon had told all the facts, relating not only his own story but that of Mr. Dahl, he asked for the opinion of both officers as to what they thought. Lieut. Brown made the statement that he would like to obtain some of these fragments to take back to Hamilton Field..

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #2 (cont.)

At this time Capt. Davidson and Lieut. Brown were debating the thought as to whether to stay over night in Tacoma or leave for Hamilton Field immediately, as the B-25 they were flying was supposed to be at Hamilton Field the next day for the Air Show.

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Friday the 1st: At approximately 8 o'clock in the morning, Mr. Crismon called up our hotel room and acquainted us with the fact that the B-25 had crashed. Also that he had called McChord Field and from information he received also verified the fact that the two men in the ship were Capt. Davidson and Lieut. Brown, plus a flight engineer and a hitch-hiker. This left both Mr. Arnold and myself in a very bad state of concern. Approximate- ly an hour later Mr. Crismon and Mr. Dahl made their appearance in the hotel room. I still wasn't sure that this was the same B-25 that the two Intelligence officers had left in last night. Mr. Crismon then again called McChord Field and talked to a Colonel Gregg and the fact was verified again that the two pilots were Davidson and Brown.

After an hour or so Mr. Crismon and Mr. Dahl left the hotel room with a plan in mind of the four of us meeting the next morning (Saturday) for breakfast and going out to Maury Island.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #4 (cont.)

That evening (Friday) there was a message for me to call this particular telephone number that was on the message. I called this number and was asked by the party to please call them from a paystation. This party was a Mr. Lantz, a reporter on the Tacoma Times. He told me, "I most certainly am doing myself out of a good story but I thought you ought to know that somebody has been calling this paper and giving us a blow-by-blow description of all that has taken place in your room since you arrived." To verify this, Mr. Lantz repeated back to me discussions that I felt had only been taking place in our room.

Mr. Lantz also made the statement that there was a leak either from the switchboard operator or our room had been tapped. I asked Mr. Lantz why he was tipping us off with this information. He made the statement that he didn't mind doing this if in return that any information that I may let out would be given to him. After this conversation with Mr. Lantz I went back to our room and told Mr. Arnold what took place on the telephone.

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# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #4 (cont.)

Mr. Lantz called up and said if I would call him at 8:30 that evening, he would have some additional information for me. I called Mr. Lantz at 8:30 that evening. He told me that this anonymous caller had again called a Mr. Marillo of the United Press and said that one of the parties that Mr. Arnold and I had come down to see was flown to Alaska. Also he made the state- ment Mr. Smith would be called to Wright Field Tuesday. This anonymous caller made the statement to Mr. Marillo that this B-25 was shot down. Mr. Marillo asked this person calling what his interest was. This anonymous caller made a statement - "Don't think I am doing it for the newspapers. All I am interested in is seeing that this information gets back to New Jersey."

After I finished the conversation with Mr. Lantz, I went over to the United Press and talked with Mr. Marillo and had him read back to me the conversations that he had had with this anonymous caller. But no opinions at this time were voiced either by me or Mr. Marillo.

# August 19, 1947 (cont.)

## Page #4 (cont.)

Sunday morning I called a Major Sander of S-2 McChord Field and asked him to meet me at the Winthrop Hotel at 11 o'clock. I met this Major Sander at 11 o'clock and we drove to a small coffee shop on the Tacoma Highway where this complete story was related to him by me. We then drove back to the Winthrop Hotel where Major Sander was introduced to Mr. Arnold by me and again listened to Mr. Arnold's story. Mr. Arnold and I departed from the Winthrop Hotel Sunday afternoon at approximately 4:30.

This is to certify that the foregoing statement was taken before me, a notary public; that prior to making said statement, the witness was first sworn to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth; that the statement was then reduced to writing and signed by me on the - day of August, 1947.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and official seal the day and year last above written.

Notary Public in and for the State of Washington, residing at Seattle.

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Affidavit of EMIL J. SMITH

Re: FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD A. DAHL, Tacoma, Washington SM - X

62-83894-106

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Signed statement of Fred L. Crisman and Harold A. Dahl

Re: FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY FRED CRISMAN and HAROLD A. DAHL
Tacoma, Washington
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum

Mr. P.

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Mr. Clegg

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI - AIR MAIL
FROM : SAC, San Francisco
SUBJECT: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS

(re)

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

...GOVERNMENT
DATE: August 26, 1947

Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Mehr
Mr. Pennington

Mr. Quinn Tamm,

There are being transmitted herewith to the Bureau photostatic copies of three reports received from Lieutenant Colonel DONALD SPRINGER, A-2, Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, involving reported sightings of flying discs.

Cand

The Los Angeles Office is being furnished with a photostatic copy of the report of Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER dated August 18, 1947 concerning the investigation conducted at the Muroc Flight Test Base, Muroc, California.

The Butte Office is being furnished with a photostatic copy of the report of Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER dated August 20, 1947 which sets forth a letter received from Mr. R. J. MADDEN, Division Plant Engineer, Pacific Telephone and Telegraph Company, Helena, Montana.

This office is maintaining contact with Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER and will furnish the Bureau with a subsequent report from him concerning the ob- servations of Mr. RAY A. SWITZER, Sacramento, California, who has reported certain observations which he believes may involve a flying disc at Placerville, California, on August 14, 1947.

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ADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE

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DECLASSIFIED

Authority:
NND 90986

Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

| TITLE    | Investigation of   | Flying Disc.   | INVESTIGATION MADE                      | AT Muroc AAF,         | Muroc,   | Calif.         |
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|          |                    |                | CONTROLLING OFFICE                      | Air Defense           | Command, | Mitchel Field. |
| FILE No. | 1208-I             |                | PERIOD COVERED                          | 8 July 1947           |          |                |
| DATE     | 18 August 1947     |                | CASE CLASSIFICATION<br />STATUS OF CASE | Incident<br />Pending |          |                |

REASON FOR INVESTIGATION: Investigation initiated at request of Air Defense Command reference 1tr Hq ADC, dtd 7 Jul 47, file D333.5 ID, subj: Investigation of Flying Diso.

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STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

The following is a statement given by Major Richard R. Shoop, Office of Chief of Tech. Engineering Division, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947.

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# AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF CALIFORNIA )

COUNTY OF KERN)

The following is a statement given by T/Sgt. Joseph Kuvolo, 4144th. AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14 July 1947, to 1st Lt J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

This is my own written statement of what I saw on July 8, 1947.

I am NCO in charge of the Billeting Office, this Field, and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, is Billeting Officer in Charge.

About 09:45 he was returning from the Post Exchange when he called to me to come outside and asked me to look up to where he was pointing and to my surprise I saw two (2) flying objects which appeared to me like two (2) flying disc or saucer shaped silver colored objects, flying in a northwestern direction at speed approximately 350 or 400 miles per hour and at an altitude of about 7500 or 8000 feet. I could not hear a motor roar like one of our planes and it could not have been a balloon.

I am of good health and sound mind and this was no hallucination.

This statement has been given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of one (1) page, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.

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## AFFIDAVIT

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

The following is a statement given by 1st. Lt. Joseph C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 11 July 1947, to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC S/A. this Station.

The following statement concerning the actual observance of what has been termed as a "flying Disc" or a "flying Saucer" is true and correct and it will be noted that the above mentioned observance was made by me per- sonally while enjoying complete health in mind and body.

On Tuesday 8 July 1947, at approximately nine-thirty A.M. (09:30) I was in conversation with personnel in the Post Exchange Office. My part of this conversation was as follows:

"Someone will have to show me one of these Disc before I will believe it."

# AFFIDAVIT (cont.)

## AFFIDAVIT (cont.)

Upon leaving the Post Exchange, I went directly to my Office and be- fore entering heard one of our local aircraft in the traffic pattern. Looking up, as I always do I observed the aircraft, and looked slightly to the left, whereupon I observed two (2) silver objects of either a spherical or disc-like shape, moving about three hundred (300) miles an hour, or perhaps less, at approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, heading at about three hundred twenty degrees (3200) due north.

When I first observed these objects I called S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and Miss Jannette Marie Scotte who immediately came to where I was standing. I pointed in the direction of the objects and asked them the question "Tell me what you see up there." Whereupon, all the three (3) with sundry comments stated, "They are flying Disc". To further verify my observance I asked them to tell me in what direction the objects were traveling, without indicating their direction myself, and again, all three (3) in a consistent nature stated that the objects were moving toward Mojave, California.

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# AFFIDAVIT (cont.)

## AFFIDAVIT (cont.)

After the observance of these phenomenon and hoping that I might have time to enlist further witnesses, I immediately ran into the dispensary to get personnel who are Medical Officers to verify, for my own curiosity, the actual observance of these objects, but by the time I reached the back porch of the dispensary, Mrs. A. C. Naum, who is a registered nurse, and about seven (7) other personnel were with me, the objects, had by that time, dis- appeared, due to the speed with which they were traveling. Upon further investigation, two (2) of us at the same time sighted another object of a silver spherical or disc-like nature at approximately eight thousand (8000) feet, traveling in circles over the North-end. I called the objects to the attention of Mrs. Naum and pointedit out to the other personnel standing near by. All of us saw the object, with the exception of two (2) out of seven (7) personnel. All of us looked away from the object several times to make sure there was no eye strain or from permitting the object to become an optical illusion.

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# AF

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

# AF (cont.)

The following is a statement given by Captain John Paul Strapp, Flight Test, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given to Mr. Thomas A. McMillan, CIC Agent, this Station, on 12 August 1947.

At 11:50 hours, 8 July 1947, while the undersigned was sitting in an observation truck located in Area # 3, Rogers Dry Lake, for the purpose of observing a P-82 ejection seat experiment, the following unfamiliarity was observed.

The undersigned was gazing upward toward a formation of two (2) P-82's and an A-26 aircraft flying at 20,000 feet, preparing to carry out a seat ejection experiment, when I observed a rounded object, white aluminum in color, which at first resembled a parachute canopy. The first impression was that a premature ejection of the seat and dummy had occurred. This body was ejected at a determined height lower than 20,000 feet, and was falling at three (3) times the rate observed for the parachute which was ejected thirty minutes later. As it fell it drifted slightly north of due west against the prevailing wind, to- ward Mount Wilson. The speed, horizontal motion could not be determined, but appeared slower than the maximum velocity 50-80 aircraft.

# AF (cont.)

As this object descended through a low enough level to permit observation of its lateral silhouette, it presented a distinct ovular outline, with two (2) projections on the upper surface which might have been thick fins or nobs. These crossed each other at intervals, suggest- ing either rotation or oscillation of slow type.

No smoke flames, propellar arks, engine noise, or other clasuable (?) or visible means of propulsion were noted. The color was silvery, re- sembling aluminum painted fabric, and did not appear as dense as a parachute canopy.

When the object dropped to a level such that comes into line of vision of the mountain tops, it was lost to the vision of the observer.

It is estimated that the object was in line of vision about 90 seconds. Of the five (5) people sitting in the observation truck, four (4) observed this object and made remarks about it. These people include: Mr. Lenz Civilian, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio (Other names not given)

The following is my own personal opinions about this object:

1. I think it was a man-made object, as evidenced distaintly by the outline and functional appearance.

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2. It's size was not far from 25 feet with a parachute canopy.

3. The path followed by this object appeared as though it might have been dropped from a great height.

Seeing this was not a hallucination or other fancies of a sense.

This statement was given freely and voluntarily without any threats or promises under duress. This statement consists of two (2) pages, and is the truth to the best of my knowledge and belief. I have initialed all corrections deemed necessary.

s/s john paul strapp
CAPTAIN JOHN PAUL STRAPP, AC

WITNESS:
s/s thomas a. mc millan
THOMAS A. MC MILLAN

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# AFFIDA 841

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

The following is a statement given on 14 July 1947, by Jannette Mario Scott, Secretary to 1st Lt J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California.

I am fully aware of my Civil and Constitutional Rights, and under- stand prior to making this statement.

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

On Tuesday morning 8 July 1947, at approximately 10:00, while typing some cards, and taking care of my routine work, Lieutenant McHenry called me, along with T/Sgt. Joseph Ruvolo and S/Sgt. Gerald E. Nauman, to the front of B.0.Q. "A" Bldg. Pointing up in a direction directly above me he asked us to explain what we saw. There were two, silver colored disc like objects flying toward Mojave, California, one directly back of the other, at a speed of about 300 to 400 miles per hour, having an altitude of approximately 8000 feet. I listened carefully for a few minutes, and heard no drone, such as should be heard from any aircraft. I also cast my eyes to another direction and looking back to the same spot, I was able to distinguish the same objects again. Having assured myself that there was no eye-strain, I was convinced these objects were not weather balloons due to the horizontal position in which they were flying. Nor could they have been birds of any nature, due to the de- finite reflection from the sun rays.

I have been on this Base, considering an absence of six months, approximately eighteen months, and am familiar with all type aircraft.

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## AF 71 VIT

STATE OF CALIFORNIA)

COUNTY OF KERN)

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

## AF 71 VIT (cont.)

The following is a statement given by S/Sgt. Gerald F. Nauman, 4144th AAFBU, Muroc Army Air Field, Muroc, California, statement given on 14 July 1947, to 1st Lt. J. C. McHenry, Billeting Officer.

On the eight of July 1947 at ten o'clock (10:00) in the morning I observed personally two (2) flying disc, flying in a north west direction at an estimated altitude of seven or eight thousand feet, traveling at approximately three or four hundred miles per hour.

Just a few minutes before this I was in the Billeting Office and First Lieutenant Joseph C. McHenry, called me and two (2) others out- side. He then asked us what we saw. I saw two (2) objects with my own eyes, and I am now and was then in perfect physical condition. I have 20-20 vision and I am positive these two (2) objects could not have been Aircraft, weather balloons or birds. Due to the altitude in which they were flying, they gave off a definite reflection from the rays of the sun.

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UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-I
20 August 1947

MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

## AF 71 VIT (cont.)

1. On 20 August 1947, this agent and Special Agent Hubbard interviewed Mr. Ray A. Switzer, Insurance Adjustor, at his home, 3431 David Way, Sacramento, California, and he stated in substance: On the afternoon of 14 August 1947, he was driving his automobile from Placer- ville, California, on the Cedar Ravine Road. Mr. Switzer's wife was in the front seat of the automobile and Mrs. Switzer's mother and the two Switzer children were in the back seat of the car. At about 1600 hours they were at a point approximately five miles southwest from Placerville when Switzer saw a white smoke trail out of the corner of his eye. In searching for a rocket ship (P80) he saw an object, four to six feet in length, ten to fourteen inches wide, and of a metal color, bright like highly polished chromium. In relation to the travel of the automobile the object was first seen at 1030, and when the object reached a point at approximately 1200, it was engulfed in a puff of dark gray smoke about ten feet in diameter. The object was traveling at a terrific rate of speed and seemed to be in a very shallow dive. When the puff of smoke appeared, the object disappeared completely and there were no particles seen to have fallen from the smoke. The point where the object was en- gulfed in the smoke was about eight hundred yards distant (in front of) Switzer with no possibility of the object being hidden from view by vege- tation or terrain. The object appeared rectangular in shape except for one very short period of time it appeared to have a top surface that was very slightly curved. Mr. Switzer turned to tell his wife about the object and found her with her mouth open in an effort to say something and with her hand in a pointing gesture toward where the object had dis- appeared. The object was not very high in relation to the terrain and seemed to be following the contour of a canyon.

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

## AF 71 VIT (cont.)

2. In a separate interview Mrs. Switzer concurred in the information obtained from Mr. Switzer with the following exceptions: The smoke trail and the puff that engulfed the object appeared dark gray in color and there was no change in the color. Mrs. Switzer estimated the object to be about five feet long and about a foot wide with the top surface being slightly curved. The object appeared to be some larger in front than in the rear.

AGENT'S NOTES: At the time this object was seen, the sun was to the Switzer's back, the sky was clear and the object gave off a very bright reflection. Mr. Switzer has been connected with the field of insurance investigation for the last eighteen years and appears to be a man not desirous of publicity. The other passengers of the car did not see the object. Mr. Switzer is in the process of moving to a ranch near Placerville, Calif., and his new, address will be Box 43, Aukum, Eldorado County, Calif. Arrangements have been made to meet Mr. Switzer at 1400, 26 Aug 47 at Raffels Hotel, Placerville, Calif., for the purpose of going back over Cedar Ravine Road taugte 1947 point where the object disappeared.

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Bryden E. Moon, Special Agent, 4AF CIC

GAN FRANCISCO

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HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA
333.5/1208-I

20 August 1947

SUBJECT: Flying Disc.

TO

Special Agent in Charge, FBI, U. S. Dept. of Justice, Federal Office Building, Room 422, San Francisco, Calif.

1. The attached letter was received by this office from Mr. R. J. Madden, Division Plant Engineer, Pacific Telephone and Telegraph Company, on 15 August 1947.

2. No further investigation will be made of this reported inci- dent by this headquarters.

1 Incl:
As indicated.

<signature>
DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, CSC
AC of S, A-2

DISTRIBUTION:
AAF-2 cys
ADC-1
6th Army 1 cy
FBI-1 oy

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
U. S. DEP...
AUG 21 1947
SAN FRANCISCO...
ROUTED TO
<signature>

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427 W. 3d Avenue
Spokane, Washington
August 8, 1947

Military Intelligence Division, U.S.A.
MoChord Field, Washington

Gentlemen:

Following the reading of an account of the visit of Mr. Kenneth Arnold, Boise, Idaho, as published in the Spokesman Review under date of August 7, 1947, the undersigned considered the enclosed account of an observation of a "flying saucer" would be of interest to you.

This account has not been given to any newspaper or other public- ation as yet.

Yours truly,

// R. J. Madden
R. J. MADDEN,
Division Plant Engr.
The Pac. Tel. & Tel. Co.

FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
U. S. DEP USTICE

AUG 21 1947

SAN FRANCISCO
ROUTED TO

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Report on a "Flying Saucer"

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

## AF 71 VIT (cont.)

At or about 12:05 p.m., July 29, 1947, a sedan, driven by Steve Herrmann and carrying . J. (Bob) Madden in the front soat and Ker Herrmann in the rear seat, was proceeding northwesterly along the road loading from Canyon Ferry to York, both in Montane some 25 miles N.. of Helena.

When at a point approximately mile N.. of Canyon Ferry, (as shown on Forest Service Map to be in the NE of NE of Sec. 10 T1ON RW) Karl suddenly shouted "See it! See it! There's a flying saucer!" Steve immed- iately slowed down and gradually brought the sedan to a stop, he and Bob meanwhile scanning the sky in the direction pointed by Karl in an effort to see the "flying saucer", but without success.

Approximately ten seconds elapsed between the time Karl reported seeing the "saucer", coming over the horizon at high speed from the southwest, (Karl first thought it a meteor) and travelling northeasterly, and the bringing of the car to a stop.

# AFFIDA 841 (cont.)

## AF 71 VIT (cont.)

As the car came to a stop, Steve, Karl and Bob, simultaneously, saw the following:

Directly ahead, (N.W) 2 to 3 miles distant and approximately 3000 ft. above the ground, a bright dise hovering and fluttering in the air. Descend- ing and rising through a vertical distance of fifty or a hundred feet for a period of about five seconds then, while at the top of an ascent, the "disc" suddenly swooped to the Northeast at tremendous speed and disappeared into the clear air within a distance of 200 ft. That is to say it did not pass beyond an obstruction to further visibility but "melted into thin air" as if because of tremendous speed.

This disc was, from the viewpoint of the observers, apparently 3 ft. in diameter, circular and of no great thickness approximately 3 or 4 inches.

The sky was blue with scattered small slouds, the sun was shining brightly and the disc gleamed and shimmered in the bright sunlight as if covered with highly polished nickel.

After the "dise" disappeared from view, the sedan and its occupants proceeded northwesterly along the road, but could discern no evidence of the presence of the "diso" along or adjacent to that thorofare.

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1030 hours

18 August 1947

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## CONFIDENTIAL (cont.)

Telephone message received from Mr. Al Reck, City Editor, Oakland Tribune:

Mr. Ray A. Switzer, 5431 David Way, Sacramento 2, Calif, and insurance executive with the firm of Moduire and Wallis, of Sacramento, reported the following incident:

At 41P.. on August 14, while driving on Cedar Ravine Road, 4 to 5 miles southeast of Placerville, Calif, he, accompanied by his wife, observed a "vapor" trail moving from north to south. Closer observation revealed a piece of "shiny metal" at from 500 to 1000 feet altitude moving at a "high rate of speed". The object appeared to be more "rocket-shaped" than diso- shaped. It appeared to be approximately 5 feet in length and was "tilted in a soni-circle".

The object struck the ground with a "puff of black smoke" about 100 feet below the top of a hill which was approximately 750 feet ahead of the automobile driven by the observer. An intervening canyon prevented investi- gation of the location where the object was observed to have landed.

The observer is able to identify the location where the object was observed to land.

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UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-1
20 August 1947

MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## CONFIDENTIAL (cont.)

1. On 20 August 1947, this agent and Special Agent Hubbard interviewed Mr. Ray A. Switzer, Insurance Adjustor, at his home, 3431 David Way, Sacramento, California, and he stated in substance: On the afternoon of 14 August 1947, he was driving his automobile from Placer- ville, California, on the Cedar Ravine Road. Mr. Switzer's wife was in the front seat of the automobile and Mrs. Switzer's mother and the two Switzer children were in the back seat of the car. At about 1600 hours they were at a point approximately five miles southwest from Placerville when Switzer saw a white smoke trail out of the corner of his eye. In searching for a rocket ship (P80) he saw an object, four to six feet in length, ten to fourteen inches wide, and of a metal color, bright like highly polished chromium. In relation to the travel of the automobile the object was first seen at 1030, and when the object reached a point at approximately 1200, it was engulfed in a puff of dark gray smoke about ten feet in diameter. The object was traveling at a terrific rate of speed and seemed to be in a very shallow dive. When the puff of smoke appeared, the object disappeared completely and there were no particles seen to have fallen from the smoke. The point where the object was en- gulfed in the smoke was about eight hundred yards distant (in front of) Switzer with no possibility of the object being hidden from view by vege- tation or terrain. The object appeared rectangular in shape except for one very short period of time it appeared to have a top surface that was very slightly curved. Mr. Switzer turned to tell his wife about the object and found her with her mouth open in an effort to say something and with her hand in a pointing gesture toward where the object had dis- appeared. The object was not very high in relation to the terrain and seemed to be following the contour of a canyon.

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4AF-1208-I

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-I (cont.)

3. On 26 August 47, S/A Hubbard and this agent contacted Mr. Ray Switzer, Insurance Adjustor at the affels Hotel, Placerville, California. After traveling Cedar Ravine road to a point nine miles southeast of Placerville, known as Buck's Bar, Switzer decided that the place from where he had observed the object on 14 Aug 47 was nearer to Placerville. After a thorough check of the road, Switzer believed the spot where he had observed the object to be on the ridge just north of Webber Creek where the road breaks over the summit.. This point is two miles from the Raffels Hotel, Placerville, California, on the Cedar Ravine Road. As the road approaches the summit it curves to the left which would provide an observer from an automobile a sweeping view through 400 of the canyon and the horizon on the south side of Webber Creek. This point of observa- tion lies 38° 42' 45" North Latitude and 120° 47' 15" West Longitude. The elevation at this point is 2,000 feet above sea level. The horizon from this point in the south is formed by a series of mountain peaks which lie generally through 380 39' 45" and which are on the south side of Squaw Hollow Creek, a distance of four miles, and ranging in elevation from 2,300 feet to 2,500 feet above sea level. Switzer was not definite as to what part of the field of view he had seen the object and indicated that it could have been as far as the horizon. Any object, or particles of an object, that Switzer saw, if on the ground on the field of view, would be in a six square mile area of wooded, mountainous terrain which is full of canyons and ravines.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-I (cont.)

AGENT'S NOTES: This agent believes that Switzer could have seen an aluminum surfaced conventional type aircraft which, due to the distance at which he observed it, distinguishing features were not seen because of the bright reflection and the short period of observation. The aircraft would have been coming from the left as Switzer turned to the left, thereby giving the effect of a much greater speed than the object was really traveling. This agent has no explanation as to the smoke trail observed by Switzer. If reconnaisance is desired of the area to see if anything can be located on the ground, this agent suggests that a small type aircraft similar to an L-5, be used in low level flight between the hours of 1100 to 1300. Switzer was very cooper- ative and expended much of his own time in an effort to be of as much service as possible. Switzer will communicate with the AC of S, A-2, Headquarters Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, in the event of any report of aircraft wreckage in the area.

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HEADQUARTERS FOURTH AIR FORCE
Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2
Intelligence
Hamilton Field, California

4AFDA
333.5/1208-1

10 September 1947

SUBJECT: Investigation of Flying Disc.

TO:

Special Agent in Charge, FBI, U. S. Department of Justice, Room 422, Federal Office Building, San Francisco, California.

Attached MOIC for your information.

FOR THE AC OF S, A-2:

1 Incl:
MOIC, Hubbard, dtd 9 Sep 47.

<signature>
DONALD L. SPRINGER
Lt. Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy AC of S, A-2

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# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-I (cont.)

445-1208-I
Incident
9 September 1947

MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## UNIDENTIFIED OBJECT
4AF-1208-I (cont.)

Mr. Ward L. Stewart, 1242 Milvia Street, Berkeley, California, was interviewed 8 September 1947 at his place of employment, the Hearst Mining Building, University of California, concerning flying objects he reported to have seen on 29 July 1947 while with Captain William H. Ryherd of the 415th AAF BU (RT). Mr. Stewart stated in substance that he was a 1st Lt in the Reserve and that on the 29th of July 1947 shortly after 12 noon he and Captain Ryherd had just landed from a routine training flight when Captain Ryherd called Mr. Stewart's attention to an unidentified flying object that was following a P-80 aircraft at a terrific rate of speed. Mr. Stewart estimated the P-80 to be flying at approximately 250 miles per hour on a preliminary approach to landing at Hamilton Field. In Mr. Stewart's estimation the object he saw following the P-80 maintained a speed of three to four times that of the aircraft. A moment later a second object appeared and flew a course described as something similar to a fighter aircraft's maneuvers when accompanying heavier ships, or a left to right movement, over the object first sighted. Mr. Stewart stated that this maneuvering continued until the objects were out of sight. He estimated the time to be approximately 15 secords, the course approximately 120 degrees. Mr. Stewart could not estimate the size of the objects nor actual altitude, though he did not believe them to be beyond six thousand feet. Mr. Stewart described the objects as being milky white in color, 9 and unlike any conventional type aircraft he had ever seen. When questioned whether he was fimiliar with the Navy "Flapjack", Mr. Stewart stated that he was, and that he was certain the objects he reported seeing were not of this nature.

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OFLYING DISCS. ON INSTANT DATEAXXXX DATE, AL W. HAWKINS, COUNTY P COMMISSIONER AND EX SHERIFF, TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, AND M J. H. BROWN, IDAHO STATE WAREHOUSE INSPECTOR, SAME COMMUNITY, ADVISED THAT ON WEDNESDAY MORNING, AUGUST THIRTEEN LAST, AT APPROXIMATELY NINE THIRTY AM WHILE FISHING IN RIVER APPROXIMATELY FORTY MILES SOUTHWEST OF TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, IN ISOLATED COUNTRY, THEY SAW TWO OBJECTS FLYING THROUGH AIR AT GREAT HEIGHT, WHICH APPRXXXX APPEARED TO BE DISCS, AND AT SAME TIME HEARD ROAR SIMILAR TO NOISE CREATED BY MOTOR TRUCK. INFORMANTS ADVISED OBJECTS MOVING VERY RAPIDLY AND TAXXXX THAT THEY EACH APPEARED TO BE APPROXIMATELY SIX FEET IN DIAMETER. OBJECTS QUICKLY DISAPPEARED FROM SIGHT AND HAVE NOT BEEN SEEN SINCE. NO FURTHER DESCRIPTION THESE OBJECTS PRESENTLY AVAILABLE. FURTHER INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED BY THIS DIVISION PURSUANT TO BUREAU BULLETIN NO. ORTY TWO, SUB DIVISION B, DATED Cail JULY THIRTY NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN. BUREAU WILL BE PROMPTLY INFORMED

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# Office Memorandum • UNITED S

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TO : DIRECTOR, FBI
DATE: August 28, 1947
FROM : SAC, SAN FRANCISCO
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SUBJECT: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS
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ATTENTION: ASSISTANT DIRECTOR D. M. LADD

# Office Memorandum • UNITED S (cont.)

On August 27, 1947, Lt. Colonel DONALD SPRINGER, A-2, Fourth Air Force, Hamilton Field, California, advised that the Area Intelligence Require- ments Division Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2 Headquarters, re- quested that one WILLIAM RHOADS of Phoenix, Arizona, be completely inter- viewed in connection with a report that he had seen on July 7, 1947, what he believed were flying discs. RHOADS is supposed to have taken several pic- tures of the discs with a 620 Box Camera.

A previous report of this reported sighting of flying discs was forwarded the Bureau on August 8, 1947.

Colonel SPRINGER has advised that GEORGE F. FUGATE, Jr., an intelligence agent of A-2 stationed at Long Bach, California, would arrive in Phoenix, Arizona, on or about September 2, 1947, and would be instructed to contact the Phoenix Field Division Office.

In accordance with Bureau Bulletin No. 42, Series 1947, it is felt that an agent from the Phoenix Field Division should interview WILLIAM RHOADS at 4333 North 14th Street, Phoenix, if RHOADS has not already been interviewed. Colonel SPRINGER indicated that Mr. FUGATE should, if possible, sit in on this interview.

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SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS SIGHTED BY
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# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

DATE: August 27, 1947
FOR G Fletcher

Re Seattle tels August 7, 1947, and August 12, 1947, in the above captioned matter.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

KENNETH ARNOLD, Route 1, Mountain View Drive, Boise, Idaho, was inter- viewed at the Boise Resident Agency, Boise, Idaho, by SA JOSEPH E. JETTE on August 19, 1947. Mr. ARNOLD advised that he received a letter from RAYMOND A. PALMER, Editor, Venture Press, Evanston, Illinois, dated June 26, 1947, in which Mr. PALMER advised that he was interested in publishing an article in his magazine concerning the flying discs seen by Mr. ARNOLD near Mount Rainier on June 24, 1947, which letter is being enclosed to the Bureau. Mr. ARNOLD stated that he did not give much thought to PALMER's letter until PALMER wrote him again and informed him that FRED CHRISMAN and HAROLD A. DAHL of Tacoma, Washington, had sent him fragments of a flying disc and that he would like him (ARNOLD) to go to Tacoma, Washington, and contact CHRISMAN and DAHL to find out if there was any truth in their story about the disc fragments. He stated that he did not answer PALMER'S letter, but inquired of several friends for their opinion in the matter, and that they all told him if PALMER desired to pay his expenses to go to Tacoma, Washington, and look into this matter, that they did not see where he had anything to lose. He informed that he gave a talk at the Boise Ad Club on July 25, 1947, about the flying discs he had seen, and also of the request contained in PALMER's letter to go to Tacoma to investigate additional information regarding the find- ing of disc fragments by CHRISMAN and DAHL.

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Re: Flying Discs - Tacoma, Wn.

August 27, 1947

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65-477 (cont.)

of the information available regarding the disc fragments and that he understood that DAHL had told the press about the disc fragments, stating there was nothing to the story and that it was a phoney. DAHL immediately replied that his story was not false or phoney, but that what he had seen and what had happened to him was so unusual and fantastic that he wanted to forget about the disc fragments. DAHL then agreed to tell Mr. ARNOLD the following story, providing his name and the Harbor Patrols would be left out:

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

DAHL stated that his dog had been killed and his boy hurt and that the wheel mount on his harbor patrol boat had been struck by disc fragments, and that about twenty ton of this material had fallen on the beach at Mauri Island, and into the bay, and that a day after this incident, a man about forty years of age had contacted him and told him, "I know what you sew at Mauri Island and I'm telling you in a nice way to forget about it and keep your mouth shut." DAHL stated that he had obtained a large number of the fragments and had taken them home, but that FRED TRICKMAN, his superior officer, had told him to send the fragments to RAYMOND PALMER at Chicago; that PALMER would analyze the specimens free of charge. DAHL continued stating that on the afternoon of June 21, 1947, he was on patrol with his boy, dog, and two seamen near a cove on the east side of Mauri Island. He stated that he looked up through the windshield of the boat and at a height of about 1,000 feet, he saw six round circular grey objects that looked like large inner tubes slightly squashed. These objects appeared to be about 100 feet across and in the center was a hole about twenty-five feet. DAHL said he assumed they were some type of a balloon. The object in the center was lower than the rest of the other objects, and the other objects were circling around it. The object in the center seemed to be descending while the others followed. As the objects descended he saw port holes around the inside of the object and what appeared to be windows. He stated that the object in the center descended to about 500 feet, and that suddenly one of the circling objects came down and touched the object in the center and remained in this position for a few minutes, while the other objects continued to circle above. The object which had descended and touched the object in the center and which was lower, then rose and took its place with the other objects.

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Re: Flying Discs - Tacoma, Wn.

August 27, 1947

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# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

Mr. ARNOLD stated he received a telephone call from the press upon returning to his hotel room, and that the press wanted to know about the flying disc fragments, and he told them that he was not talking until he had proved it. He stated he did not know how the press ever knew he was in Tacoma or had seen DAHL.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

Mr. ARNOLD informed that at 9:30 A.M. the next morning, July 31, 1947, DAHL and CHRISMAN appeared at his hotel room and DAHL again asked him to go home and forget about the discs, that his story was not false, but that he had had. enough trouble. DAHL said that his boy had been missed one morning and had been found at Lust, Montana, waiting on tables in a cafe; that he did not know how he had got there and that too many things were happening. Mr. ARNOLD stated that when DAHL and CHRISMAN came to his hotel room, they had an armful of fragments, and that CHRISMAN had then informed about how he had seen an object resembling those seen by DAHL. CHRISMAN stated he had taken the patrol boat on July 23, 1947, and had gone to Mauri Island and had found the beach littered with lava. CHRISMAN stated he had looked up and had seen a balloon-like object with port holes and windows, which had disappeared into a large cloud. ARNOLD stated that he asked DAHL again to see the pictures of the objects; that DAHL had again agreed to show them to him. Mr. ARNOLD informed that he had then asked DAHL and CHRISMAN if it would be all right for him to call a friend, Captain SMITH, who had also seen some flying discs and let him see the fragments and hear Mr. DAHL's story. DAHL dissented, however, CHRISMAN readily agreed. He also stated that he had placed a call to Lieutenant BROWN and Captain DAVIDSON, Army intelligence officers at Hamilton Field, and had asked them to come to his hotel, as they had previously instructed him to report to them any- thing of an unusual nature or of interest regarding the flying discs.

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65-477 (cont.)

STAC

Director, FBI
Re: Flying Discs - Tacoma, Wn.

August 27, 1947

He stated that the next morning he received a call from CHRISMAN, who told him that Lieutenant BROWN and Captain DAVIDSON had been killed in a B-25 crash. He stated he does not know how CHRISMAN knew who had been in the plane before anyone else. He also stated that during the above conference numerous telephone calls were received from the press, wanting to know about the conference. He stated that someone kept tipping the press off as to what was going on and what was being said daily verbatim. He informed that PAUL LAND and MORELLO, United Press men at Tacoma, appeared to know all that took place during the conference, and even knew of the crash of the B-25 and those aboard, before the Army released this information. Mr. ARNOLD informed that when he received news of the crash, that he and Captain SMITH fully expected to be contacted by Army Intelligence, as they were the last people with Lieutenant BROWN and Captain DAVIDSON, however, they were never contacted.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

He further stated that he and Captain SMITH went down to the United Press to see what the survivors of the crash had informed about the crash and that MORELLO had told them that the mysterious informant who had been calling had told him that the B-25 had not crashed, but had been s hot down, also that MORELLO's Army informant had said that an observer at Kelso, Washington, had seen the plane throw out a landing flare after the two survivors had jumped from the plane, and that the plane had gone into a steep dive and dove into a hillside, and further that one engine had been on fire, but that the fire apparatus, protecting the engine, had failed to function. Mr. ARNOLD stated that DAHL then came to see him and Captain SMITH and told them to go home and forget about the discs, that such things as the B-25 crash had been happening to him all along.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

Mr. ARNOLD stated that he then called Mr. PALMER at Chicago and told him that the deal was off and that if he wanted his $200.00 back, he could have it; that two men had been killed and he was getting frightened of the whole thing. He stated that PALMER informed him that it was all right with him to keep the $200.00, however, he would send him an additional check for the trouble he had put to. Mr. ARNOLD advised that previous to this telephone call, Captain SMITH had called his friend, MORRIS RODDY, of the Chicago Times and had told him that he did not have any faith in Army Intelligence and for RODDY to conduct an investigation on PALMER and get to the bottom of this disc fantasy. Mr. ARNOLD also advised that previous to the two above telephone calls, he had asked the press to investigate PALMER, as Army Intelligence had informed him that they could not find PALMER and knew nothing concerning him, and appeared not to be interested in PALMER, who seemed to know more about the flying discs than anyone else.

[page 94]
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Director, FBI
Re: Flying Discs - Tacoma, Wn.

August 27, 1947

1947, however, when CHRISMAN was approached in this regard, and they had gone to the boat house where CHRISMAN kept his boat, CHRISMAN could not seem to make the boat run, and after making some excuses that he had to return to his office, had stated that he would return in about an hour, and by that time his mechanic should have the boat repaired and they could all proceed to Mauri Island. Mr. ARNOLD informed that CHRISMAN never returned, and that they were unable to locate CHRISMAN at any of the telephone numbers he had given them.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

They located DAHL in a movie, according to ARNOLD, and that DAHL, after making some efforts to locate CHRISMAN, had informed them that CHRISMAN had left town for a few days. He further informed that about this time the press contacted them and told them an informant had called and told them that CHRISMAN was on his way to Alaska in an Army plane.

Mr. ARNOLD advised that Captain SMITH had informed him that he had made an appointment with Major SANDERS at McCord Field and intended to tell Major SANDERS the complete story. During the afternoon, Captain SMITH and Major SANDERS came to the hotel room, according to ARNOLD, and some of the fragments that DAHL had brought to Mr. ARNOLD's room, following the conference, were shown to Major SANDERS. Upon viewing the fragments, Major SANDERS, accord- ing to Mr. ARNOLD, stated that they were nothing but slag from the copper mill, however, before Major SANDERS left, he gathered up every fragment in the room, according to Mr. ARNOLD, and took them with him. Mr. ARNOLD stated that he then left for Boise, Idaho.

# Office Men....dum. UNITED
65-477 (cont.)

Mr. ARNOLD produced a letter dated August 5, 1947, from PALMER in which PALMER attempts to encourage Mr. ARNOLD to continue his investigation into the flying discs. This letter is also being enclosed to the Bureau. Mr. ARNOLD also gave SA JETTE a copy of the article sent to Mr. PALMER and to the Commanding General, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, regarding his sighting of the nine discs near Mount Rainier on June 24, 1947. This article is also being enclosed to the Bureau. Mr. ARNOLD advised that he is vitally interested in this matter and knows that there must be something to the flying discsstory He stated that he will do everything in his power to help the Bureau in this matter. He also advised that he has no connection whatsoever with the Boise Statesman. He stated that the Boise Statesman has never paid him for any information he has given them. He informed that he sincerely believes that the Boise Statesman is attempting, as he is, to get to the bottom of the flying discs story. Mr. ARNOLD stated that he has told the above story to Army Intelligence and Major SANDERS and to no one else, with the exception of SA JETTE.

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Re: Flying Discs - Tacoma, Wn.

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get to the bottom of the flying discs story as they sincerely believe there is someone who knows the story of the discs and that they actually exist, and that the Army, when approached for information, merely state that they know nothing concerning them. JOHNSON also informed that Lieutenant BROWN and Captain DAVIDSON had contacted him on July 20, 1947, at Boise, Idaho, regard- ing the discs and that is how he met them.

Unless advised th the contrary, no additional investigation is being conducted in this matter, and it is being considered as Referred Upon Completion to the Seattle Office.

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# VENTURE PRESS

305 STUDIO BUILDING

1718 SHERMAN AVENUE

EVANSTON, ILLINOIS

August 5, 1947

Mr. Kenneth Arnold,
Box 387,
Boise, Idaho

Dear Mr. Arnold:

It seems that Mr. Maurice Roddy of the Chicago Times got the story from Mr. Smith, because he called me, told me he was running it. I knew only what you'd told me over the phone. Now, it seems the newspapers are pestering the very devil out of all you fellows. Crisman wired me for instructions, and I told him to say nothing to the newspapers, because he'll look silly if the army explains this as "meteors" or something like that.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

I don't blame you for being alarmed, but I trust you've had no trouble in your flying since then. Let's get that straight-- there's no horrible plot infolved. It's probably true that the two men killed were just accidents. It could be true that it was not an accident, but I don't think there was any connection with the disks, or anything of that nature, nor is the material from Murray Island to blame.

Certainly I don't think you'd suffer from completing your report on your mission, and sending me your affidavit. Also, you'll have some money coming for that, and no sense to tossing that out of the window. It is unfortunate that the thing seemed so big you had to call in army intelligence, but it will take them a long time to proceed to the point I've reached inthis disk mystery. You see, you aren't the first to see them. They've been known for nearly forty years, and I have ample proof of that. But your experience was the first real break toward a solution. I'd hate to have you drop the matter when all remaining to do is to file your report with me.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

Crisman is willing to contribute his share. I hope you will too. This thing must not be hushed up and forgotten. It's much too important to the people of America, if not the world. And no censorship of the matter is legal. You needn't fear that angle. You certainly did a bang-up job of investigation, also you wrote one of the best articles about your June 24 experience I've ever seen. Please do the same on this last business. You owe it to those two men who were killed.

I'd also like to know what developed on those pictures you took of those "dicks", or what ever they were.

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In short, I'd like to have you continue to keep in contact with me, and relay to me anything further you learn.

In turn, I'll give you the whole story, which I'm just about ready to break (not in the newspapers). And if it was as dangerous as you seem to suspect, I'm afraid I'd have been a corpse long ago!

But, and this is all you need remember, those disks are not red corpuscles in your eyeball, and they are not something we can forget about with an ostrich in the sand attitude. We've got to solve them, public hysteria or no. As for that hysteria, if laughing is hysteria, that's all the hysteria I've noticed!

By all means, I want to thank you for the work you've done. You know your business, and you handled it like a major. But I'm hoping you do the easy part now and get that report on paper.

A check for your June 24 article is going out to you.

Sincerely yours,
<signature>
R. A. Palmer

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June 26, 1947

Mr. Kenneth Arnold,
Boise, Idaho

Dear Mr. Arnold:

I have just read an account in the Chicago Tribune concerning an aerial train composed of at least 9 units shaped like a pie-plate and silvery in color, traveling at 1200 m.p.h. near Mount Ranier, as witnessed by you while flying in the vicinity.

This is quite important to me, because I have in my possession numerous independent confirmations of what you saw, although none in as great detail as your account. I am interested in publishing an article in our magazine, written from a personal account by yourself, and accompanied by pix of yourself, plane, and rough sketches by yourself, of what you saw.

If you care to do this for me, I am prepared to pay our usual rates of 2 perword, plus $5.00 for each photograph you can provide, or for each sketch which can be used by our art staff to illustrate the article.

Included in this material, we'd like a short biographical sketch of yourself as "author background" material. The article would appear under your by-line.

If you are not interested, I would at least appreciate a letter from you, confirming the newspaper story.

Very truly yours,
<signature>
Raymond A. Palmer
Editor, The Venture Press

In your reply, please use airmail.

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SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD

I was born March 29, 1915 in Sobeka, innesota. My father's name was Blward Erb Arnold; my mother's maiden name was Bertha E. Barden. I was a resident of Minnesota until I was six years old when my family moved to Scoboy, Montana, where they homesteaded. My grandfather, Roland C. Arnold also homesteaded in Scobey, Montana, and became quite prominent in political circles along with Burton K. Wheeler, the famous Montana sonator.

I went to grade school and high school at inot, North Dakota. I entered scouting at twelve years of age and achieved the rank of Eagle scout before I was fourteen. My former scout executive was H. H. Prescott, now a regional commissioner for the Boy Scouts in Kansas City, Kansas.

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# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

I established my own fire control supply known as the Great Western Fire Control Supply. I have been working as an independent fire control enginer since, and I handle, distribute, sell and install all types of automatic and manual fire fighting equipment in the rural areas over five western states.

My flying experience started as a boy in Minot, North Dakota, where I took my first flying lesson from Earl T. Vance, who was originally from Great Falls, Montana. Due to the high cost at that time, I was unable to continue my flying and did not fly of any great consequence until 1943. I was given my pilot certificate by Ed Leach, a senior CAA inspector of Portland, Oregon, and for the last three years have owned my own airplane covering my entire territory with same and flying from forty to one hun- dred hours per month since. Due to the fact that I use an airplane entirely in my work, in January of this year I purchased a new Callair airplane, which is an airplane designed for high altitude take-offs and short rough field usage.

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## Dy Kometh Arnold

The following story of what I observed over the Cascade mountains, as impossible as it may seen, is positively true. I never asked nor wanted any notoriety for just accidently being in the right spot at the right time to observe what I did. I reported something that I know any pilot would have reported. I don't think that in any way my observation was due to any sensitivity of eye sight or judgment than what is considered normal for any pilot.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

On June 24th, Tuesday, 1947, I had finished my work for the Central Air Service at Chehalis, Washington, and at about two o'clock I took off from Chehalis, Washington, airport with the intention of going to Yakima, Washington. My trip was delayed for an hour to search for a large marine transport that supposedly went down near or around the southwest side of Mt. Rainier in the state of Washington. (This transport has been dis- covered at the time of this writing-July 29, 1947.)

I flow directly toward Mt. Rainier after reaching an altitude of about 9,500 feet, which is the approximate elevation of the high plateau from which it. Rainier rises. I had made one sweep of this high plateau to the westward, searching all of the various ridges for this marine ship and flew to the west down and near the ridge side of the canyon where Ashford, Washington, is located.

Unable to see anything that looked like the lost ship, I made a 360 degree turn to the right and above the little city of Mineral, start- ing again toward ft. Rainier. I climbed back up to an altitude of approximately 9,200 feet.

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Washington, which was almost directly east of my position and simply sat in my plane observing the sky and the terrain.

There was a DC-, to the left and to the rear of me approximately fifteen miles distant, and I should judge, at 1,000 feet elevation.

The sky and air were as clear as crystal. I had not flown more than two or three minutes on my course when a bright flash reflected on my airplane. It startled me as I thought I was too close to some other aircraft. I looked every place in the sky and couldn't find where the reflection had come from until I looked to the left and the north of Mt. Rainier where I observed a chain of nine peculiar looking aircraft flying from north to south at approximately 9,500 feet elevation and going, seemingly, in a definite direction of about 170 degrees north to south.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

They were approaching Mt. Rainier very rapidly, and I merely assumed they were jet planes. Anyhow, I discovered that this was where the reflection had come from, as two or three of then every few seconds would dip or change their course slightly, just enough for the sun to strike then at an angle that reflected brightly on my plane.

These objects being quite far away, I was unable for a few seconds to make out their shape or their formation. Very shortly they approached Mt. Rainier, and I observed their outline against the snow quite plainly.

I thought it was very peculiar that I couldn't find their tails but assumed they were some type of jet plane. I was determined to clock their speed, as I had two definite points-t. Rainier and Mt. Adams- I could clock them by and the air was so clear that it was very easy to see objects and determine their approximate shape and size at almost fifty miles.

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south to southeast down the hog's back of a mountain range. I would estimate their elevation could have varied a thousand feet one way or another up or down, but they were pretty much on the horizon to me which would indicate they were near the same elevation as I was.

They flew like many times I have observed geese to fly in a rather diagonal chain-like line as if they were linked together. They seemed to hold a definite direction but rather swerved in and out of the high moun- tain peaks. Their speed at the time did not impress me particularly; be- cause I knew that our army and air forces had planes that went very fast.

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## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

What kept bothering me as I watched then flip and flash in the sun right along their path was the fact that I couldn't make out any tail on them, and I am sure that any pilot would justify more than a second look at such a plane.

I observed the quite plainly, and I estimate my distance fronthem, which was almost at right angles, to be between twenty to twenty-five miles. I knew they must be very large to observe their shape at that distance, even on as clear a day as it was that Tuesday. In fact, I com pared a seus fastener or cowling tool. I had in my pocket with them hold- ing it up on the and holding it up on the DC-4 that I could observe at quite a distance to my left and they seemed smaller than the DC-4; but I should judge their span would have been as wide as the furtherest engines on each side of the fuselage of the DC-4.

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I could quite accurately determine their pathway due to the fact that there were several high peaks that were a little this side of them as well as higher peaks on the other side of their pathway.

As the last unit of this formation passed the northern-most high snow-covered crest of Mt. Adams, I looked at my sweep second hand and it showed that they had travelled the distance in one minute and forty-two seconds. Even at the time this timing did not upset me as I felt confi dent after I landed there would be so e explanation of what I saw.

J

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

A number of news men and experts suggested that I might have been seeing reflections or even a mirage. This I know to be absolutely false, as I observed these objects not only through the glass of my airplane but turned my airplane sideways where I could open my window and observe then with a completely unobstructed view.

Even though two minutes seems like a very short time to one on the ground, in the air in two minutes time a pilot can observe a great many things and anything within his sight of vision probably as many as fifty or sixty times.

I continued my search for the marine plane for another fifteen or twenty minutes and while searching for this marine plane, what I had just observed kept going through my mind. I became more disturbed, so after taking a last look at Tieton Reservoir I headed for Yakima.

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When these objects were flying approximately straight and level, they were just a black thin line and when they flipped was the only time I could get a judgment as to their size.

These objects were holding an almost constant elevation; they did not seen to be going up or to be coming down, such as would be the case of rockets or artillery shells. I am convinced in my own mind that they were some type of airplane, even though they did not conform with the many aspects of the conventional type of planes that I know.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

Although these objects have been reported by many other observers throughout the United States, there have been six or seven other accounts written by some of these observers that I can truthfully say must have observed the same thing that I did; particularly, the descriptions of the three Western Air lines employees of Cedar City, Utah, the pilot from Oklahoma City, the locomotive engineer in Illinois, Mr. John Corlett a United Press correspondent of Boise, Idaho, Dave Johnson, news editor at the Boise Daily Stateman, Captain Smith-Co-pilot Stevens-and Marty Morrow of United Air Lines, and Captain Charles F. Gebian and Jack Harvey of United Air Lines both of whom only last night, July 28, 1947, made their observation on United Air line flight 105 westbound out of Boise.

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California.

I would have given almost anything that day to have had a movie camera with a telephoto lens and from now on I will never be without one- but, to continue further with my story. Then I landed at Yakima, Washing- ton, airport I described what I had seen to my very good friend, Al Baxter who is the General Manager of Central Aircraft Company. He listened patiently and was very courteous but in a joking way didn't believe

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

I did not accurately measure the distance between these two noun- tains until I landed at Pendleton, Oregon that same day where I told a mumber of pilot friends of mine what I had observed and they did not scoff or laugh but suggested they might be guided missiles or something new. In fact, several former Army pilots informed me that they had been briefed before going into combat overseas that they might see objects of similar shape and design as I described and assured me that I wasn't drearing or going crazy.

I quote Sonny Robinson, a former Army Air Force pilot who is now operating dusting operations at Pendleton, Oregon "That you observed, I an convinced, is some type of jet or rocket propelled ship that is in the process of bing tested by our goverment or even it could possibly be by some foreign government".

Anyhow, the news that I had observed these spread very rapidly and before the night was over I was receiving telephone calls from all parts of the world; and, to date I have not received one telephone call or one letter of scoffing or disbelief. The only disbelief that I know of was what was printed in the papers.

# VENTURE PRESS (cont.)

## Dy Kometh Arnold (cont.)

and the FBI as, to the authenticity of my story or a mental and physical examination as to my capabilities, I received no interest from these two important protective forces of our country until two weeks after my observation. I will go so far as to assume that if our 1811tary Intelligence was not aware of what I observed and reported to the United and Associated Press and over the radio on two different occasions witch apparently set the nation buzzing, they would be the very first peopl I could expect as visitors.

I have received lots of requests from people who told me to make a lot of wild guesses. I have based what I have written here in this article on positive facts and as far as guessing what it was I observed, it is just as much a mystery to me as it is to the rest of the world.

My pilot's license is 333487. I fly a Callair airplane, which is a three place single engine land ship that is designed and manufactured at Afton, yoning as an extremely high performance, high altitude air- plane that was made for mountain work. The national certificat of my plane is 33355.

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July 29, 1947

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Dear Mr. Palmer:

I am enclosing the material you requested together with photographs, and also a sketch of my life history.

Yours very truly,
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BRUCE ARMSTRONG. M. A. NICHOLS. FLYING DISCS INTERNAL SECURITY-X.

NEWSPAPER SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER CARRIED ARTICLE ON AUGUST TWELVE OF REPORT OF FLYING DISCS SEEN BY ONE BRUCE ARMSTRONG OF BOEING AIRCRAFT COMPANY, AND M. A. NICHOLS, ONE ONE TWO FIVE, SOUTH WEST ONE HUNDRED AND SECOND STREET, SEATTLE. INVESTIGATION OF SIGHTING BY ARMSTRONG REVEALS OBJECT TO HAVE BEEN PIECE OF UNBURNT PAPER WHICH HAD BEEN SEEN BY CONTROL TOWER AT BOEING FIELD. INVESTIGATION OF SIGHTING BY M. A. NICHOLS INDICATES OBJECT WAS A WEATHER BALLON. LETTER TO FOLLOW.

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AGATE BEACH, NEAR OCEAN LAKE, OREGON HAS REPORTED THAT THE EVENING
OF AUGUST SEVEN, AT ELEVEN THIRTY PM HE SIGHTED WHAT HE BELIEVED
TO BE A DISC BRIGHT IN COLOR WHICH HE WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE FOR
ONLY A SHORT TIME BECAUSE OF ITS SPEED. BARTLETT TO BE INTERVIEWED.

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Mr. Tolson
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Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Mr. Nease
Miss Gandy

•. R. Pletetter

WASHINGTON 17 FROM PHILADELPHIA

8-7-47 9-30 PM DST <signature>

# TELETYPE (cont.)

WASHINGTON 17 FROM PHILADELPHIA 8-7-47 9-30 PM DST <signature>

DIRECTOR FBI URGENT Flying Discs

FLYING OBJECT REPORTED OVER PHILA. AUGUST SIX, NINETEEN FORTY-SEVEN.

SABOTAGE. THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ON AUGUST SEVEN, NINETEEN
FORTY SEVEN CARRIED ITEM CONCERNING FLYING OBJECTS OBSERVED OVER
PHILA. ON EVENING OF AUGUST SIX, FORTY SEVEN. PEOPLE REPORTED AS 21
OBSERVING SUCH INTERVIEWED BY PHILA. OFFICE, AND SUBSTANTIALLY 1-70
FURNISHED FOLLOWING INFORMATION. AT TEN FORTY FIVE, AUGUST SIX,
NINETEEN FORTY SEVEN, A BLUISH WHITE FLAMING OBJECT WAS OBSERVED AT
A HEIGHT OF ONE THOUSAND FEET OR MORE OVER PHILADELPHIA
PROCEEDING FROM A NORTHEASTERLY TO A SOUTHWESTERLY DIRECTION.

THIS OBJECT LEFT A TAXX TRAIL OF SMOKE WHICH LASTED FOR ABOUT
TWO SECONDS AND W HISSING OR BUZZING SOUND WAS AUDIBLE AFTER THE
SIGHT OF SUCH OBJECT. PEOPLE OBSERVING THE SAME SEEMED RESPONSIBLE AND
RELIABLE, AND INCLUDE A FORMER ARMY AIR CORPS PILOT. HE
DOES NOT BELIEVE ABOVE MENTIONED OBJECT PROPELLED PLANE
SINCE THE ACCOMPANYING SOUND WAS NOT AS LOUD AS THAT MADE BY JET
PROPELLED PLANES. HE ESTIMATED ABOVE OBJECT TRAVELED AT A RATE OF

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ABOUT FOUR HUNDRED TO FIVE HUNDRED MILES PER HOUR. INQUIRIES BEING MADE BY ARMY AND NAVY INTELLIGENCE FORCES, PHILA. ON THE REQUEST OF THE PHILA. OFFICE TO DETERMINE IF EITHER ARMY OR NAVY ARE DOING ANY EXPERIMENTAL WORK ON NEW TYPES OF PLANES IN VICINITY OF PHILA. THEY WILL ADVISE PHILA. OFFICE IN NEXT SEVERAL DAYS. LETTER OF DETAILS WILL FOLLOW.

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum UNITED STALL OVERNMENT •

65-480

The

TO : Director FBI
FROM : SAC Butte
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS

DATE: August 20, 1947
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Refer teletype to the Bureau dated August 15, 1947.

# Office Memorandum UNITED STALL OVERNMENT • (cont.)

Enclosed please find the newspaper account carried by the Twin Falls, Idaho "Times News" on August 15, together with a sheet of paper on which A. C. URIE attempted to sketch his impressions of the instrument which he claims to have seen.

Concerning URIE's sketches, it may be noted that he believed the rolled outer edge which he attempted to create in his drawing to have been about a foot through. URIE likewise believed that the tubing or exhaust flame which he and his sons claim to have seen was about a foot through and extended at least to the back end of the device. The flame did not appear to taper off nor to widen out toward the back.

BILLY and KEITH URIE stated that they could see a knot on the side of THUR: the device from which the flames were shooting, and that they could see day- light between the exhaust flame and the side of the device. The flames did not leave any smoke or odor.

The URIE boys thought that the "side view" sketch should show that the device was more sharply angled from bottom to top, while URIE himself thought that it was more streamlined and curved. URIE said that the instru- ment came to a pointed or rounded top. DEFERRED RECORDING

ENCL. ATTACHED

# Office Memorandum UNITED STALL OVERNMENT • (cont.)

In his notations, URIE mistakenly said that he had seen it on Thurs- day. During interview, he stated that it actually had been on Wednesday, August 13, 1947, when he and his sons saw the contrivance about 1:00 P. M.

URIE explained that he had sent his boys to the river to get some rope from his boat. When he thought they were overdue, he went outside his tool shed to look for them. He noticed them about 300 feet away looking in the sky and he glanced up to see what he called the flying disc. He said he could only see it for a moment before it disappeared behind a hill which obscured his view.

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URIE further stated that the contrivance was about seventy-five feet in the air. URIE resides in the depths of the Snake River Canyon, which is about four hundred feet deep and twelve hundred feet across at that place. According to his account, the contrivance was about three hundred feet below the rim of the canyon and he saw it against the steep walls of the canyon on the far side. He described its color as sky blue and stated that he doubted if it could be been against the sky. He likewise said that it was purely by that he saw it. It did not spin like a top.

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As the machine went by the URIE place, the trees over which it almost directly passed (Morman Poplars) did not just bend with the wind as if a plane had gone by, but, in URIE's words, "spun around on top as if they were in a vacuum."

KEITH URIE, eight years of age, said he first saw the machine coming down the canyon, heading from east to west and following the contours of the ground. BILLY, age ten, saw it almost immediately. Both watched it fly out of sight behind a tree in a matter of moments. They said they then ran to their Father and learned that he too had seen the machine.

# Office Memorandum UNITED STALL OVERNMENT • (cont.)

URIE seemed completely sincere about the incident. He said his wife and daughter were in the house at the time and had not seen the machine. He questioned his brother, who also lives in the canyon, but his brother had been eating at the time and had seen nothing. URIE and his two boys maintained that they had never before seen one of the discs. URIE, when interviewed, ap- peared to be a sober, middle-aged man.

JOHN BROSNAN, the "Times News" reporter who originally furnished Special Agents with information about the incident, likewise stated that URIE appeared completely sincere about the machine.

# Office Memorandum UNITED STALL OVERNMENT • (cont.)

No further attempt was made to locate L. W. HAWKINS, inasmuch as J. H. BROWN, who was with HAWKINS at the time, was interviewed. BROWN's name was withheld from the newspaper because HAWKINS and BROWN were fishing at Sal- mon dam while BROWN was supposed to have been working in Twin Falls.

BROWN said simply that he and HAWKINS could hear a roar. They looked up and could see two instruments flying at a great height, which BROWN mentioned might have been between four thousand and six thousand feet. However, he said he had no idea how large the devices were and consequently, they may have been several miles away. He said that he and HAWKINS were satisfied they had seen some thing and they were very doubtful that they had seen two planes.

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TWIN FALLS, IDAHO, FRIDAY, AUGUST 15, 1947

# Heads Up, Folks! The Discs Are Flying Ag

**Dimensions:**
*   Diameter: 20 ft
*   Height: 10 ft

**Views provided:**
*   Side View
*   Bottom View
*   End View

**Features:**
*   Appears to be powered by jets emitting a fiery glow.
*   Has a flattened disc shape with a raised central dome.
*   The dome has a leaf-like pattern on top.

This is an artist's conception of the flying disc that A. C. Urie saw sweeping through Snake river canyon six miles west of Blue Lakes ranch. It seemed to be powered by jets emitting a fiery glow on both

sides, and could well be the inspiration for something new in women's hats, such as a "flying saucer" creation. (Drawing by Vic Goertzen- staff engraving)

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Flying Saucer Reported Flashing Down Canyon At 1,000 Miles Per Hour; Two Others Are Seen

# Heads Up, Folks! The Discs Are Flying Ag (cont.)

## By JOHN BROSNAN

Just as Magic Valley and the
nation were starting to let go of
lampposts after reeling. under a
welter of flying saucer reports, two
more Twin Falls county men re-feet
vived speculation on the mystery
with vivid descriptions of discs they
saw.

From A. C. Urie, who operates the Auger Falls Trout farm six miles west of Blue Lakes ranch in ake river canyon, came perhaps most detailed account of one of

the fast-flying objects the nation
has yet produced.

The flying saucer Urie saw was
skimming along through Snake river
canyon at a height of about 75
at 1 p. m. Wednesday. At 9:30
a. m. the same day, L. W. Hawk-
ins, Twin Falls county. commis-
sioner and former county sheriff
from Filer, also saw two circular
objects soaring along at a great
height near Salmon dam 40 miles
southwest of Twin Falls.

Here is Urie's eye-witness de-

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# TIMES-NEWS, TWIN FALLS, IDAHO

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# Twin Falls News in Brief

## To Visit Here

## Marriage License

Aurelia Stark, Portland, Ore., is arriving here soon to visit Mr. and Mrs. Phil A. Snow.

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## Four Parleys
Set on Cassia,
School Pla

# Twin Falls News in Brief (cont.)

## Births

A daughter was born Thursday beets. to Mr. and Mrs. Rudy Wageman, made Filer, at the Twin Falls county special general hospital maternity home.

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Clear The delegates then adjourned to Lakes resort for a fish fry.

and Fred Van Engelen have re- turned from Moscow where they at- tended the summer session of the University of Idaho.

## Rector Returns

The Rev. E. Leslie Rolls, rector of the Episcopal Church of the Ascen- sion, and Mrs. Rolls returned Thursday from Tacoma, Wash., where they spent their vacation.

BREV
Miss Povey Visits

Kathleen Povey, former Spanish instructor at Twin Falls high school, ol mea- is visiting here this week. She now ane was teaches Spanish in a high school at South Pasadena, Calif.

## Auto Recovered

Mr. and Mrs. Robert Van Engelen

Clifford J. Roth, 529 Fifth avenue
north, reported the theft of his
for two automobile from near the Legion
to Twin Falls police at 5:42 p.
m. Thursday and 18 minutes later
reported he had recovered the ve-
hicle.

## The Hospital

Emergency beds only were avail-at the Twin Falls county general

# Twin Falls News in Brief (cont.)

## Visits Schuberts

William H. Munger, 38, 305 Locust street north, died at 11 a. m. Friday

Improvement association, discussed
the general organization of that
group and spoke of its measures for Lake City.
seed certification.

Agnes Schubert, Monterey Park,
Calif., is visiting her brother and
sister-in-law, Mr. and Mrs. Mel
Schubert, this month. Miss Schu-
bert, former art instructor at Twin
Falls high school, now teaches in
California.

## Attend Funeral

## Moose to Meet

## Sce Permit

Kenneth Miracle and Esta Jay
Pearson, both of Twin Falls, received
a marriage license Thursday at the
courthouse.

Application for a permit to build a 12 by 20-foot private garage of rame construction was filed Friday in the office of the city clerk by Lola M. Vazquez, 350 Elm street, who estimated the cost at $400.

## Return to Kansas City

E. L. Hoffman and his son, Eugene, with Lucille Gahr, has re- turned to Kansas City after visiting Mr. and Mrs. H. B. Hogue. Mrs. Hogue is his mother.

## On Trip to East

Mrs. John Hawes and her nephew, Pat Boland, have gone to Boston and New York City on a vacation to visit relatives. two-week's vacation to visit relatives.

# Twin Falls News in Brief (cont.)

## Visiting Sister

Mrs. Robert Swanson, Denver,
Colo., is visiting her sister, Mrs.
Kenneth Kail. Mrs. Swanson is a
former resident of Rupert.

12:30 p. m. Members of the fellowship degree of the Moose lodge will meet at Members of the fellowship degree 12:30 p. m. Sunday at the Moose hall, officials announced Friday. Refreshments will be served by Women of the Moose.

Out-of-town persons who attend- ed the Donald Spencer funeral in- clude Mrs. George Robbins, Ingle- wood, Calif.; Mr. and Mrs. Clifton Adams, Mr. and Mrs. Ernie Vidun, Wayne and Dorothy Adams, and Mrs. Norma Lou Veneman, all Po- catello; Mrs. Sarah Adams, Mrs. Will Severe, Mr. and Mrs. Lyman Adams, Mr. and Mrs. Orvil Adams, Mr. and Mrs. Howard Adams, Mr. and Mrs. Ellsworth Adams, all Oak- ley; Mrs. Judson Tolman, Logan, Utah, and Mrs. Alice Miller, Salt

## Harry Piper, 71,
Claimed by Death

BUHL, Aug. 15-Harry Sylvester
Piper, 71, Buhl plumber since 1926,
died at 9:20 p. m. Thursday at the
Twin pital from complications following Falls county general
an emergency operation.

# Twin Falls News in Brief (cont.)

## William Munger,
38, Passes Here

Mr. Piper was born June 6, 1875, Idaho in 1926. in Emporia, Kans., and came to He is survived by his wife, Mrs. Clussman Piper; three

Clussman Piper; three
daughters, Mrs. Harry Kinter, Buhl;
Mrs. James F. Perchal, Twin Falls,

Next speaker was W. D. Hay of the PMA federal-state seed labora- tory at Sacramento, Calif. He dis- cussed the movement of bean seed in interstate commerce, how the seed should be labeled, how to name different rent varieties, and the validity of name assignments.

cipal damage is done to the pods, he explained, as the insects burrow into a pod at night, eat into the seeds, drop to the ground the next day, and enter another pod the next night. He recommended use of five per cent DDT dust at the rate of 20 pounds per acre, and said the first application should be on now.

Carl Blackburn, of the Idaho Crop

# Twin Falls News in Brief (cont.)

## (From Page One)

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Sublett; 14, Almo; 24, Hazel;
Bridge, 50, Springdale; 31, View,
32, Moulton.

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The above districts would be,
corporated into one district w
would elect five trustees. Trus
districts would be divided thus:
District 1, all of Burley school dis-
trict west of Overland and the Bur
ley-Oakley highway; district 2, all of Burley school district east of of
Overland and the Burley-Oakley
highway; district 3, present districts
of Declo, Albion, Springdale and
View; district 4, Oakley, Basin,
Moulton; and district 5, Heglar,
Malta, Elba, Sublett, Almo, Bridge
and all present unorganized terri-
tory.

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## Funeral Held for
Infant at Wendell

WENDELL, Aug. 15 Graveside
services were held Thursday eve-
ning for Marian Kay Ems, Wendell.
The infant daughter of Mr. and
Mrs. Kenneth Ems died at birth
Thursday morning.

She is survived by her parents; a brother, Kenneth Ray, 22 months, and a sister, Janet LaRae, 5. Burial in the Wendell cemetery was under the direction of the Frazier mor- tuary.

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# FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

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ENCLOSURE TO BUREAU

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# 'Saucer' Seen
Flying Down
Snake Gorge

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river facing toward the north. The

boys saw it coming about half a mile up the canyon, and we all lost sight of it in less than a mile." While the impression was still vivid in their minds, the three got together and made rough sketches of what they had seen. These, in turn, were the basis for the artist's conception of the strange affair by Vic Goertzen of Twin Falls for the Times-News.

# 'Saucer' Seen
Flying Down
Snake Gorge (cont.)

"It was all one color-sort of a light sky blue with a red, tubular fiery glow at the side of the top or hood," Urie continued.

The canyon floor is rough at that particular point, and it rode up and down over the hills and hol- lows at a speed indicating some type of control faster than the reflexes of man. It is my opinion that it is guided by instruments and must be powered by atomic energy, I as it made very little noise-just a s-w-i-s-h as it passed by." Urie described the size as about 20 feet long by 10 feet high and 10 feet wide, giving it an oblong shape. It might be described as look- ing like an inverted pie-plate or broad-brimmed straw hat that had been compressed from two sides.

Pressed for his candid opinion of

just what it was, Urie said that he was convinced that there was some- thing to this flying saucer situation. "I know a number of the people who have also seen them and I know that they're not just imagining something or trying to get their names in the paper," Urie com- mented.

"I do know that it scared the boys and made me feel pretty uneasy," he added.

# 'Saucer' Seen
Flying Down
Snake Gorge (cont.)

Tracing down a rumor that County Commissioner Hawkins had seen an unusual object in the air on the same day as Urie's experience, the Times-News called him at his Filer home.

"Yes, I did," he replied without hesitation. "I'll have to admit I've been skeptical all along until I saw it with my own eyes. I can't say what it was, but I can say there's something in the air."

Hawkins related that while at Salmon dam Wednesday morning, a sound resembling the echo of a motor caused him to look upward, and there he saw two circular ob- jects that reflected light. They were traveling at a great speed and higher than most airplanes, accord- ing to Hawkins.

Aside from this, he declined to add details, except to say, "There's something in the air."

# 'Saucer' Seen
Flying Down
Snake Gorge (cont.)

His general description, however,

corresponded closely to those of hundreds of persons who reported seeing flying saucers after Kenneth Arnold, Boise businessman, had touched off the deluge by telling of coming upon nine disc-like objects while he was flying in his private plane in Washington. Thereafter, the nation became in- creasingly flying saucer conscious, creating a state of mind that made it possible for four 'teen age Twin Falls boys to cause a mild sensa- tion when they built a model flying disc and tossed into a local yard July 10. This was subseuently re- vealed as a hoax, following investi- gation by the army and FBI. Thereafter the saucer reports

tapered off into a few scattered in- cidents until the question was re- vived by this week's occurrences.

Speculation has ranged from mention that the discs could be army or navy guided missile experi- ments, or that they could be similar experiments by some foreign coun- try, to "something out of this world."

Whatever, they are, a lot of people have seen "something."

**Comic Strip 1: "Out Our Way"**
Characters: A man is being told to mind his own business.

**Comic Strip 2: "Side Glances"**
Characters: A man wearing glasses and smoking a pipe is shown, along with other figures and buildings.

**Quote:**
"If you quit driving to work save enough money to buy Jun the yard!"
Copyright: 1946 by NEA Service, Inc.

**Comic Strip 3: "Carnival"**
Scene: Depicts carnival-like structures and a man reading a document.

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# 'Saucer' Seen
Flying Down
Snake Gorge (cont.)

10 ft. high.

نا passed by the Auger Halls Trout Far a close up view of the 20ft long Flying Saucer 6 mis Waf it BS at 100 pangin going augine going doives Snake River. Canyon. at a height of about 15 ft. from canyon floor at a speed of about stoper.. I had a side view" at a distance of about Boys ComiNG ACROSS of my lays, was ollow me, and sanit 300 soft and almost on a level, and tivo Keith 8, BR110. at about a 45 degree angle they got loth 1½ a botten and side vie we were all looking ibe aff lost sight of it in his than a mile. north the south side looking toward the Etuas all one color sost The logs sair it sair it coming glost a z mis y Canyon then light sky blue a with a red tublar fiery flow on the site of hood. The canyon floor is song to a long here and it ade up an down over The hills and hollows It is my opinion that it is quided by insturmounts and must be powered by atomic power as it made very little noise Just as it parsed by little noise Just a swishes.

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**Top View (labeled "top hood"):**
*   Shows an elongated, flattened oval shape with a pointed end.
*   Outlined in blue, with blue crayon strokes indicating texture or internal structure.
*   Labeled "front view" on the left side.

**Side View (labeled "side view"):**
*   Depicts a raised central section with a flatter base.
*   The base is labeled "20 ft long".
*   The height of the raised section is indicated as "10 ft high".
*   There is a red stripe or detail within the raised section.
*   The right side of the raised section is labeled "10 ft" possibly indicating width or another dimension.

pack view.

bottom view

10ft, mide,

2017. long

The bottom and side view of the flying disc going down Snake River Canyon at 11971. Thursday at a distance of about 75 ft. mys from ground. speed about 1000 per pond by. A. C. URIE - very little noise Just a swish as it Cowns tract FARM)

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

Office: Memdum • UNITED S

# GOVERNMENT

TO : D. M. IADD
FROM : E. G. Fitch
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SUBJECT: <empty>

DATE: August 20, 1947

DECLASSIFIED
Authority:
NND 90986

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Mr. Tolson
Mr. E. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Carson
Mr. Egan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Tele. Room
Mr. Nease
Miss Holmes
Miss Gandy
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There is attached he reto copies of two memoranda dated July 24, 1947, and July 16, 1947, concerning Byron B. Savage, Field Engineer, Radio. Corporation of America, Dallas, Texas, 416 N. W. 29th Street, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, and Kenneth Arnold, Box 387, Boise, Idaho. The se memoranda were made available to Special Agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section by General Schulgen of the Army Air Forces Intelligence. General Schulgen requested that the Bureau conduct a background investigation of these two individuals mentioned in the attached memoranda since they were among the first to sight the alleged flying discs. He indicated that he desired that the investigation be directed toward ascertaining whether or not either of these individuals have any subversive background and to ascertain whe ther or not they had any ulterior motives for reporting these sightings.

These

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24 July 1947

MEMORANDUM TO THE SECURITY OFFICER, OCAMA, TINKER FIELD.

SUBJECT: BYRON B. SAVAGE, Field Engineer, Radio Corporation of America, Dallas, Texas. Residence: 416 N. W. 296h Street, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.)

RE: Flyind Disc.

On 23 July 1947, BYRON B. SAVAGE was interviewed at his residence, 416 N. W. 29th Street, Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, relating to his alleged viewing of a flying disc over the vicinity of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Subject, whose age is 38, advised he is married and has one child, and is presently the holder of a Private Pilot's License, No. 39101 (Single Engine, Land). Subject averred he has extensively studied electron- ics, sound engineering and aeronautics, and his present occupation, which is Field Engineer for Radio Corporation of America, offices of which are located in Dallas, Texas, is that of installing theater sound equipment. SAVAGE stated that between the days 17 May to 21 May 1947, just after dusk, he observed an object which he believed to be a small aircraft in the south. SAVAGE advised that the sun had just gone down and the moon had not arisen on the horizon. SAVAGE related that he and his wife had just departed their residence and had started to enter their car in the driveway at 416 N. W. 29th Street, Oklahoma City. He judged the time to be between 8:30 p.m. and 9:00 p.m., and the lights from the city of Oklahoma City appeared to be shining on this object when he first saw it. He judged the object to be about 160° in the south when he first saw it, and as it moved toward him he remarked to his wife that "a big white plane was coming over."

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Memo to the Security Officer, OCAMA, Tinker Field, dtd 7/24/47, File 3724-1.

SAVAGE stated that there were no protrusions on this object and as it went by he listened for a sound of noise, and at one time thought he dis- tinguished a swishing sound like the rushing of air. This swishing sound occurred a few seconds after this object had passed him. SAVAGE averred this sound was not very loud end did not last very long, and it is very possible that the sound could have been his imagination or expectation, as he was not sure of the sound. SAVAGE related that he called his wife to see this object but it had disappeared before she could focus her eyes on it. Subject stated that the object appeared to diminish in size and speed as it moved away, and it was moving in a direction of 350° to the fur ther north. Subject/stated that the object appeared to be frosty white in color at all times.

SAVAGE advised that he has held a pilot's certificate since 1934 and has been flying since 1929. He advised that he would be glad to answer any further inquiries and will cooperate in every way possible. SAVAGE stated he was sure this object was not a meteor and in his opinion it must be radically built and powered, probably atomic.

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# MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE:

1. On 12 July 1947, Mr. Kenneth Arnold, Box 387, Boise, Idaho, was interviewed in regard to the report by Mr. Arnold that he saw 9 strange objects flying over the Cascade Mountain Range of Washington State on July 25th. Mr. Arnold voluntarily agreed to give the interviewer a written report of exactly what he had seen on the above mentioned date. The written report of Mr. Arnold is attached to this report as Exhibit A.

# MEMORANDUM FOR THE OFFICER IN CHARGE: (cont.)

AGENT'S NOTES: Mr. Arnold is a man of 32 years of age, being married and the father of two children. He is well thought of in the community in which he lives, being very much the family men end from all appearances a very good provider for his family. Mr. Arnold has recently purchased a home on the outskirts of Boise, recently purchased a $5,000 airplane in which to conduct his business to the extent of which is explained in the attached exhibit. It is the personal opinion of the interviewer that Mr. Arnold actually saw what he stated that he saw. It is difficult to believe that a man of Mr. Arnold's character and apparent integrity would state that he saw objects and write up a report to the extent that he did if he did not see them. To go further, if Mr. Arnold can write a report of the character that he did while not having seen the objects that he claimed he saw, it is the opinion of the interviewer that Mr. Arnold is in the wrong business, that he should be writing Buck Rogers fiction. Mr. Arnold is very outspoken and somewhat bitter in his opinions of the leaders of the U. S. Army Air Forces and the Federal Bureau of Investigation for not having made an investigation of this matter sooner. To put all of the statements made by Mr. Arnold in this report would make it a voluminous volune. However, after having checked an aeronautical map of the area over which Mr. Arnold claims that he saw the objects it was determined that all statements made by Mr. Arnold in regard to the distances involved, speed of the objects, course of the objects and size of the objects, could very possibly be facts. The distances mentioned by Mr. Arnold in his report are within a short distance. of the actual distances on aeronautical charts of this area, although Mr. Arnold has never consulted aeronautical charts of the type the Army uses. Mr. Arnold stated that this business had suffered greatly since his report on July 25 due to the fact that at every stop on his business routes, large crowds of people were waiting to question him as to just what he had seen. Mr. Arnold stated further that if he, at any time in the future, saw anything in the sky, to quote Mr. Arnold directly, "if I saw a ten story building

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flying through the air I would never say a word about it", due to the fact that he has been ridiculed by the press to such an extent that he is practically a moron in the eyes of the majority of the population of the United States.

1 Incl: Exhibit "A"

FRANK M. BROWN, S/A, CIC 4th AF

CONFIDENTIAL
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ENCLOSURE

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# SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD

# SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD (cont.)

I was born March 29, 1915 in Subeka, Minnesota. My father's name was Edward Erb Arnold; my mother's maiden name was Bertha E. Barden. I was a resident of Minnesota until I was six years old when my family moved to Scobey, Montana, where they home- steaded. My grandfather, Roland C. Arnold also homesteaded in Scobey, Montana, and became quite prominent in political circles along with Burton K. Wheeler, the famous Montana senator.

I went to grade school and high school at Minot, North Dakota. I entered scouting at twelve years of age and achieved the rank of Eagle scout before I was fourteen. My former scout executive was H. H. Prescott, now a regional commissioner for the Boy Scouts in Kansas City, Kansas.

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# SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD (cont.)

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was through my athletics. As a boy in Minot, North Dakota, I did a good deal of dog sled racing, placing first with my.dog in 1930 in the Lions Club Dog Derby.

In 1938 I went to work for Red Comet, Inc. of Littleton, Colorado, a manufacturer of automatic fire fighting apparatus. In 1939 I was made district manager for them over a part of the western states, and in 1940 I established my own fire control supply known as the Great Western Fire Control Supply. I have been working as an independent fire control engineer since, and I handle, distribute, sell and install all types of auto- matic and manual fire fighting equipment in the rural areas over five western states.

# SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD (cont.)

My flying experience started as a boy in Minot, North Dakota, where I took my first flying lesson from Earl T. Vance, who was originally from Great Falls, Montana. Due to the high cost at that time, I was unable to continue my flying and did not fly of any great consequence until 1943. I was given my pilot certificate by Ed Leach, a senior CAA inspector of Portland, Oregon, and for the last three years have owned my own airplane covering my entire territory with same and flying from forty to one hundred hours per month since. Due to the fact that I use an airplane entirely in my work, in January of this year I purchased a new Callair airplane, which is an airplane designed for high altitude take-offs and short rough field usage.

In the type of flying I do, it takes a great deal of

CONFIDENTIAL

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practice and judgment to be able to land in most any cow pasture and get out without injuring your airplane; the runways are very limited and the altitude is very high in some of the fields and places I have to go in my work. To date, I have landed in 832 cow pastures in mountain meadows, and in over a thousand hours a flat tire has been my greatest mishap.

CONFIDENTIAL

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FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION
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COMMUNICATIONS SECTION
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Mr. K. A. Tamm
Mr. Clegg
Mr. Glavin
Mr. Ladd
Mr. Nichols
Mr. Rosen
Mr. Tracy
Mr. Wgan
Mr. Gurnea
Mr. Harbo
Mr. Mohr
Mr. Pennington
Mr. Quinn Tamm
Mr. Nense
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FBI SEATTLE

8-14-47

5-21 PM

# SOME LIFE DATA ON KENNETH ARNOLD (cont.)

DIRECTOR FBI URGENT
<signature>

L. R. BRUMMETT. SID DECKER. FLYING DISCS. INTERNAL SCURITY-X.

AUGUST FOURTEEN NINETEEN NINETEEN FORTYSEVEN SEATTLE POST INTELLIGENCER
PUBLISHED ARTICLE TO EFFECT THAT L. R. BRUMMETT, BOX TWO FIVE FOUR REDMOND, WASH, AND SIDNEY DECKER BOX TWO NINE SIX REDMOND, WASHINGTON HAD
SIGHTED TWO DISCS AT APPROXIMATELY NINE AM AUGUST THIRTEEN NINETEEN
FORTYSEVEN. UPON INTERVIEW DECKER STATED THAT TWO VERY BRIGHT OBJECTS
TRAVELING AT AN EXTREME RATE OF SPEED WERE NOTICED BY HIM AS HE WAS
STANDING NEAR THE REDMOND POST OFFICE. DECKER DESCRIBED THE OBJECTS
AS HAVING NO WINGS, NO TAIL, AND BOTH ENDS WERE TAPERED. DECKER ADDED
THAT THE OBJECTS RESEMBLED A BELLY TANK AND THAT THEY WERE NOISELESS.
THE OBJECTS WERE VERY BRIGHT AND TRAVELING IN A NORTHEASTERLY DIRECTION
OVER REDMOND, WASHINGTON, ONE A BIT BEHIND AND A LITTLE ABOVE THE OTHER
MAINTAINING EQUAL RATES OF SPEED FOR APPROXIMATELY EIGHT SECONDS AT
WHICH TIME THEY DISAPPEARED FROM VIEW. DECKER ADDED THAT THEY WERE
HIGHER THAN A PLANE GENERALLY TRAVELS. BRUMMETT ADVISED THAT HE NOTICED
THE OBJECTS AND CALLED DECKERS ATTENTION TO THEM AND ALSO POINTED THEM
OUT TO A MRS MAMIE ENGLISH. BRUMMETT STATED THAT HE SAW TWO OBJECTS
FLYING AT A FORTYFIVE DEGREE ANGLE NORTHEASTERLY OVER REDMOND AND

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TRAVELING AT LEAST THREE TIMES FASTER THAN A PLAN. BRUMMETT ADDED THAT HE WATCHED THE OBJECTS FROM FIVE TO EIGHT SECONDS AT WHICH TIME THEY DISAPPEARED FROM SIGHT. ACCORDING TO BRUMMETT THE OBJECTS WERE DESCRIBED AS BEING NOISELESS, HAVING NO WINGS OR TAIL, LIGHTER THAN ALUMINUM, TAPERED AT BOTH ENDS AND ONE STAYED A LITTLE BEHIND AND A BIT ABOVE THE OTHER AND BOTH MAINTAIND EQUAL RATES OF SPEED. FROM BRUMMETTS OBSERVATIO HE WAS UNABLE TO DECIDE WHETHER THE OBJECTS WERE FLAT OR ROUND. MRS MAMIE ENGLISH STATED THAT WHEN BRUMMETT CALLED HER ATENTION TO THE OBJECTS SHE TOOK A PASSING GLANCE AT THE SKY AND COULD OFFER NO DESCRIPTION OTHER THAN THEY LOOKED LIKE TWO SILVER BALLS TRAVELING AT A FAST RATE OF SPEED.

WILCOX

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STANDARD FORM NO, 64

# Office Memorandum UNITED S

# GOVERNMENT

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# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

TO : Director, FBI
FROM : SAC, Chicago
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS
RICHARD F. SHAVER - Informant

DATE: September 20, 1947

Reference is made to your letter dated August 11, 1947 in the above captioned matter.

Sheriff FRED BAU, McHenry County, Woodstock, Illinois, advised that he had received no reports of flying discs in the community of Lily Lake, Illinois. He further stated that he had no record or knowledge of RICHARD F. SHAVER of Lily Lake.

Deputy Sheriff FRANK KELLER, Lily Lake, Illinois, advised that he was per- sonally acquainted with RICHARD SHAVER, whom he described as a successful writer of mystery stories. He said he had no information to the effect that SHAVER was mentally unsound and he believed him to be a substantial citizen.

Mrs. R. IANNES, Lily Lake Realty Company, advised she had sold property to SHAVER on two occasions and was well acquainted with SHAVER and his wife. She knew of no derogatory information concerning him.

G. I. R. -2

# GOVERNMENT (cont.)

RICHARD SHARPE SHAVER was interviewed at Lily Lake, Illinois and advised that he was the featured writer of mystery stories for "Amazing" magazine, which magazine is edited by RAYMOND PALMER of the Ziff-Davis Publishing Company, Chicago, Illinois. SHAVER at the outset stated that PALMER had told him the FBI would contact him regarding flying discs.

SHAVER indicated that the telegram received by the War Department, referred to in referenced letter, was probably sent by one of his readers, unknown to him. He said that he wrote mystery stories based on his firm conviction that under the earth are various caverns formerly inhabited by a super race, who have since fled to other planets. This region of caverns he calls Lemuria. He stated he believes there is valuable machinery and other resources in these caverns. He therefore explained flying discs, which he calls "space ships", as the mode of travel of the Lemurians coming from other planets to reclaim the valuable machinery. SHAVER indicated that his theories had aroused a wide following among readers of "Amazing" magazine.

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Director, FBI
Re: FLYING DISCS

September 20, 1947

The article went on to state that it was believed at the time that there was some correlation between the flying disc and the Murray Island explosion, and that RAYMOND PALMER, Chicago magazine editor, had employed ARNOLD to investi- gate and "cover" the Murray Island explosion.

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ANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum

•

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI

[x] FROM : SAC, Anchorage
SUBJECT: 1 Sawyers Flying Disks

DATE: 9-17-47
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Reference is made to Bureau Bulletin No. 42 dated July 30,

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1947.

This is to advise that two army officers reported to the Office of the Director of Intelligence, headquarters Alaskan Department, at Fort Richardson, Alaska, that they had witnessed an object passing through the air at a tremendous rate of speed which could not be judged as to miles per hour.

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The first officer stated that his attention was attracted to this airborne object, and he in turn pointed it out to the second of- ficer. The object appeared to be shaped like a sphere and did not give the impression of being saucer-like or comparable to a disk. The first officer stated that it would be impossible to give minute details con- cerning the object, but that it appeared to be approximately two or three feet in diameter and did not leave any vapor trail in the sky.

DEFERRED

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Both officers attempted to determine the approximate altitude of the object, and from a weather group stationed nearby it was de- termined that cloud formations at the time the object was sighted were "scattered above 10,000 feet." The object was noted to be traveling below the cloud formation.

The first officer stated that in his opinion the object ap- peared to be metallic and was silver in color, much like the color of many airplanes.

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Letter to Director, FBI
Re: Flying Disks

9-17-47

In conclusion, the second officer pointed out that one of the remarkable features of this object was that it was definitely traveling against the wind.

The exact date of the sighting of this object was not fur- nished this office, and inasmuch as it occurred previously to the re- ceipt of Bureau instructions in this matter, no further investigation is being conducted by this office unless specifically requested to do so by the Bureau.

100-1403
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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI
FROM : SAC, Philadelphia

DATE: September 18, 1947

Regholds

SUBJECT: FLYING OBJECT REPORTED OVER PHILADELPHIA
AUGUST 6, 1947
SABOTAGE

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Remytel August 7 last.
Elying Sancers

Miss ELEANOR NADDE, 2114 Hobart Street, Philadelphia, who is employed
by the GEORGE R. GREENWALD MANUFACTURING COMPANY, 1524 Chestnut Street, Phila-
delphia, advised as follows:
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DEFERRD RECORDING

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Between 10:30 and 10:45 p.m. on August 6, 1947, she was sitting on the steps of her home with CECELIA FINE. She was facing north and observed a large white object traveling at a very fast rate of speed to the south. There was a buzzing sound, not too loud but plainly audible, just after this object passed through the air. This white object left in its trail a thin streak of smoke, which was grayish in color.

Miss CECELIA FINE, 5617 Arlington Street, Philadelphia, who is em- ployed by the PRESSMAN & GUTMAN COMPANY, INC., Room 1140, P.S.F.S. Building, Philadelphia, stated she was sitting on the steps of Miss NADDLE's home on the evening of August 6, 1947, around 10:45 p.m. engaging in conversation with Miss NADDLE, when Miss NADDLE abruptly stopped in the middle of her con- versation and appeared to be frightened. Miss FINE at that time was sitting in a position in which she was facing south. She did not see any object in the sky after noting Miss NADDLE's change of expression, but she did hear a slight buzzing sound.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

JOHN SNYDER, 1440 Vankirk Street, Philadelphia, an insurance agent, who was a former pilot of B-24's in the Army Air Corps, advised as follows:

He was sitting on the steps of his home around 10:45 p.m. on August 6, 1947, with his wife; and his neighbors, the KELLY family, were sitting on their steps next door to the residence of SNYDER. All of the above parties were facing east. SNYDER noticed at this time an object, emitting a bluish- white flame, passing quickly through the air. The object was traveling from northeast to southwest. Using his experience in the Army Air Corps as a guide, SNYDER estimated the above object was between 1000 and 3000 feet in the air and traveling at a rate of between 400 to 500 miles an hour. This object dia not lose elevation as it passed through the air and left either smoke or a condensation trail in its former path, which lasted for about two seconds. A hissing sound accompanied the passing of this object. This sound was moder- ate and not nearly as loud as the noise accompanying the passage of a rocket

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# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Director, FBI (cont.)

JOHN J. KELLY, 1442 Vankirk Street, who is a retired police officer of the Philadelphia Police Department, advised as follows:

Around 10:45 p.m. on August 6, 1947, he and his wife were sitting on the steps of their home, when KELLY noticed an object, resembling to him a giant firecracker, pass quickly through the air. KELLY heard no noise, but the object had completely passed from view in a southern direction within a split second. It left a fiery trail for about 100 feet. August 6, 1947, was a clear night, and no storm was brewing. KELLY was sure the object he saw was no falling star, and he noted the above object did not seem to be falling but maintained the same altitude.

The wives of SNYDER and KELLY verified the accounts of their husbands as to the above-mentioned object.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Director, FBI (cont.)

It is to be noted that the SNYDERS and the KELLYS live in Northeast Philadelphia near Oxford Circle, which is about ten miles removed from the residence of Miss NADDLE. Miss NADDLE's residence is located in the western part of Philadelphia. The Misses NADDLE and FINE are not known to the above- mentioned KELLYS and SNYDERS. It is further noted the observation of Miss NADDLE, the KELLYS, and the SNYDERS roughly correspond. All of the above persons seem reliable and not the type to seek publicity or to spread rumors.

Miss NADDLE and JOHN KELLY called the "Inquirer", Philadelphia news- paper, and inquired if it could offer any explanation as to what they had seen. A representative of that paper had advised Miss NADDLE and KELLY that the object they saw may have been some product of an oil refinery or chemical company in their neighborhood.

[page 157]
September 27, 1947

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Director, FBI (cont.)

ля

RECORDED
EX-29

Major General George C. McDonald
Assistant Chief Air Staff - 2
The Pentagon
Washington, D. C.
3894-121
Dear General McDonald:

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been requested by your office to assist in the investigation of reported sight- ings of flying discs.

My attention has been called to instructions disseminated by the Air Forces relative to this matter. I have been advised that these instructions indicate that the Air Forces would inter- view responsible observers while the FBI would investigate incidents of disos found on the ground, thereby relieving the Air Forces of running down incidents which in many cases turned out to be "ash can covers, toilet seats and whatnot."

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In view of the apparent understanding by the Air Forces of the position of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in this matter, I cannot permit the personnel and time of this organiza- tion to be dissipated in this manner.

I am advising the Field Divisions of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to discontinue all investigative activity regard- ing the reported sightings of flying discs, and am instructing them to refer all complaints received to the appropriate Air Force representative in their area.

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STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : THE DIRECTOR
FROM : D. M. LADD
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS
<signature>

DATE: September 25, 1947

[x]

Mr. Tolson <empty>
Mr. E. A. Tamm <empty>
Mr. Clegg <empty>
Mr. Glavin <empty>
Mr. Ladd <empty>
Mr. Nichols <empty>
Mr. Rosen <empty>
Mr. Tracy <empty>
Mr. Carson <empty>
Mr. Egan <empty>
Mr. Gurnea <empty>
Mr. Harbo <empty>
Mr. Mohr <empty>
Mr. Pennington <empty>
Mr. Quinn Tamm <empty>
Tele. Room <empty>
Mr. Nease <empty>
Miss Holmes <empty>
Miss Candy <empty>

# Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

The Bureau was requested by the Air Forces Intelligence to assist: Pennington the Air Forces in attempting to arrive at an explanation of the above phenomena. The Air Forces indicated that the alleged sightings of flying iss Holmes discs might have been made by individuals of Communist sympathies for the purpose of causing mass hysteria in the United States over the fear of a secret Russian weapon. The Bureau agreed to assist in the investigation of the reported sightings, and the Field was advised in Bureau Bulletin No. 42, Series 1947, dated July 30, 1947, that they should investigate each instance which was brought to their attention of the sighting of a flying disc in order to ascertain whether or not it was a bona fide sighting, an imaginary one, or a prank. The results of the investigation conducted by the Bureau Field Offices in this matter have failed to reveal any indication of subversive individuals being involved in any of the reported sightings.

# Office Memorandum UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

The Bureau has received a communication in the captioned matter from the Special Agent in Charge at San Francisco, dated September 19, 1947, which attached a "restricted" letter that was furnished confidentially to the SAC at San Francisco by Lieutenant Colonel Donald L. Springer, A-2, Army Air Forces, Hamilton Field, California, a copy of which is attached hereto. It is noted that the letter, which is dated September 3, 1947, is signed "By Command of Lieutenant General Stratemeyer" by Colonel R. H. Smith, Assistant Chief of Staff Intelligence, Headquarters, Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field, New York, and is addressed to the Commanding Generals of the various Air Forces. This letter is entitled "Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of 'Flying Disc' Incidents."

[page 160]
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# COPY

HEADQUARTERS
AIR DEFENSE COMMAND
Mitchel Field, New York

In reply
refer to:

D 333.5EX

3 September 1947

SUBJECT: Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of "Flying Disc" Incidents.

TO: Commanding Genrals, First, Second, Fourth, Tenth, Eleventh
and Fourteenth Air Forces
ATTENTION: Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2

1. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has agreed to assist Air Force Intelligence personnel in the investigation of "flying disc" incidents in order to quickly and effectively rule out what are pranks and to concentrate on what appears to be a genuine incident.

[page 162]
STANDARD FORN 64

# Office Mendum.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

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# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

TO : MR. LADD <signature>
DATE: SEPTEMBER 23, 1947

FROM : E. G. FITCH <signature>

SUBJECT: INSTRUMENT FOUND ON FARM NEAR DANFORTH, ILLINOIS <signature>

Reference is made to a memorandum to Mr. Harbo from Mr. Baughman on the above-captioned matter, dated September 3, 1947. The reference memorandum indicates that the instrument has been examined by the Laboratory and the Laboratory had contacted a Mrs. Whedon of the Army Engineers and she indicated that the instrument had been used by the Air Forces on tests which were classified as "Top Secret."

Mr. Tolson <signature>
Mr. E. A. Tamm <signature>
Mr. Clegg <empty>
Mr. Glavin <empty>
Mr. Ladd <empty>
Mr. Nichols <empty>
Mr. Rosen <empty>
Mr. Tracy <empty>
Mr. Carson <empty>
Mr. Egan <empty>
Mr. Gurnea <empty>
Mr. Harbo [x]
Mr. Mohr <empty>
Mr. Pennington <empty>
Mr. Quinn Tamm <empty>
Tele. Room <empty>
Mr. Nease <empty>
Miss Holmes <empty>
Miss Gandy <empty>

<signature>

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

The memorandum indicates that Special Agent S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section contacted the Intelligence Division of the Air Forces and was advised that Mrs. Whedon alluded that the instrument was used in "Operation Mogul." The instru- ment was loaned to the Intelligence Division of the Air Forces who in turn forwarded it to Wright Field. The report was received from Wright Field indicating the instrument had no connection with "Operation Mogul" or any other operation at Wright Field. It was classified as a hoax in view of the apparent discrepancy between information developed from Mrs. Whedon and information received from Intelligence Division of the Air Forces that the Bureau might wish to pursue this matter further.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Mr. Zimmers of the Technical Laboratory advised Mr. Reynolds of the Liaison Section that Mrs. Whedon had told him that a Major Hopkins handled the Liaison in Washington for the tests in which this instrument was used. Lieutenant Colonel George Garrett of the Intelligence Division of the Air Forces advised Special Agent Reynolds that he contacted Major Hopkins. He advised that Major Hopkins has had a great deal. of experience in radio and along technical lines. Major Hopkins advised Colonel Garrett that the instrument could not have been used in the "Operation Mogul." Hopkins indicated that from the pictures and particles recovered, it appeared to him to be a part or portions of an old-type radio loud speaker.

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25 August 1947

SUBJECT: Flying Saucer.

DECLASSIFIED
Authority:
NND 90986

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

TO: Commanding General
Army Air Forces
Washington 25, D. C.
ATTN: AC/AS-2
Lt Col George Garrett

1. The specimens of an alleged "Flying Saucer" brought to this Command by Colonel H. M. McCoy, which were obtained by the FBI and given to Lt.Col Garrett, were examined to determine their connection, if any, with the so-called "Flying Saucers", or any project at Hq AMC, Wright Field. The specimens were carefully examined by both technicians of the Analysis Division (T-2) and Electronics Sub-division (T-3). The latter organization stated that these specimens definitely had no connection whatsoever with the "Mogul" project nor with any other research and devel- opment project of this Command,

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

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2. It is also the opinion of this Command that these specimens have no connection with the so-called "Flying Saucer" or "Disc". These specimens, therefore, are considered as part of a hoax that could be per- petrated by most anyone seeking publicity or for any other reasons.

3. The specimens shown in the attached photograph include frag- ments of an undeterminable shape made from plaster of paris or similar ceramic and containing some electrical resistance wire for measurement or heating purposes. The condition of the ceramic indicates that the resistance wire was heated electrically at one time or another. These fragments could not be connected with any AMC project. The other articles at the top of the photograph reading from left to right are identified as follows: B

AND

a. An outmoded type of magnetic speaker diaphragm made of alum inum alloy, manufactured by The Nathaniel Baldwin Company of Salt Lake City, Utah, which was first patented May 1, 1910. This article cannot be connected with any AMC project.

b. The second and third articles are bakelite coil forms

ENCL. ATTACHED
EX-81
RECORDED
CONFIDENTIAL
62-83894-123
FEB 1
32 OCT 1947
50 OCT 16 1947
195
FIVE
<signature>

[page 165]
CONFIDENTIAL

LCO,AAF, Wash. DC
Sject: Flying Saucers

25 August 1947

wrapped with ordinary thin enameled copper wire. These coils indicate that they were skillfully made at one time but were crudely rewrapped by one not familiar with the art of making a coil. These coils also have no connection with any AMC project.

Go The fourth article is a metallic box which is the remains of an electronic filter condenser made by the Polymet Manufacturing Company of New York, N. I. This article also has no connection with any AMG prom ject,

d. The fifth article is the remains of a metallic magnetic ring that could not be identified as any part of any device used at this command.

4. This information and attached photograph may be transmitted to the FBI to inform various agencies throughout the United States as to what action to take in the event other similar specimens are found.

FOR THE COMMANDING GENERAL:

1 Incl:
1 Photo 8-1/2x11
"Flying Saucer"

M. M. McCoy
Colonel, Air Corps
Deputy Commanding General
Intelligence (T-2)

[page 166]
ENCLOSURE

ENCLOSURE

62-83894123

[page 167]
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"FLYING SAUGER" ALLEGED SPECIMENS.

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[page 169]
FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

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TO : Director, FBI
FROM : SAC, Salt Lake City
SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS.

4571 28 19

DATE: September 15, 1947
S Reynolds Patcher

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Remytel tenth instant.

On September 10, 1947 an item relative to flying saucers appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune indicating that two young couples, Mr. and Mrs. GAYLON CALDWELL and Mr. and Mrs. RICHARD ANDERSON, Logan, Utah, who had been playing bridge, reported that they saw three brief flights of saucers, the first at 10:40 p.m. and two more before 11:10 p.m. the evening of September 8, 1947. This news article also contained the names of KEITH HUGHES, JOAN CROOKSTON, and Mr. and Mrs. FRED THUNELL of Logan who had likewise made separate reports of having observed these flying discs.

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# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Mr. and Mrs. RICHARD ANDERSON, when interviewed by an Agent of this office, advised that they, in company with Mr. and Mrs. GAYLON CALDWELL, observed approximately a dozen objects flying in group formation at about two or three thousand feet in the air. They stated that they first observed these objects on September 8, 1947 at 10:30 p.m. when their bridge game broke up and both couples went out on the porch. The ANDERSONS believed these objects to be similar in size to pigeons and stated that they seemed to be rather white and illuminated. They informed that the objects could have been birds; however, they appeared to be moving faster than birds as they circled the city in approximately one to two minutes, and then disappeared in a northern direction.

Mr. and Mrs. ANDERSON claimed to have observed no wing movement during the flight, and are unable to make up their minds as to exactly what they saw. Mr. ANDERSON informed that Mr. and Mrs. CALDWELL are presently en route to an unknown city in Nebraska.

[page 171]
Mr. and Mrs. NORMAN HALL, Logan, Utah, advised that they viewed flying objects traveling clockwise above the city at approximately 10:30 p.m. the evening of September 8, 1947. They informed that they first believed the objects to be lights of an airplane. However, these objects seemed to change in formation and appeared to be similar to a group of moving stars.

Mr. and Mrs. HALL believed these objects were traveling much faster than birds.

It was determined that Mr. and Mrs. H. P. ANDERSON and Mrs. BESSIE HENDRICKS were not available for interview:

Captain B. E. NASON, Military Intelligence Division, Fort Douglas, Salt Lake City, Utah, is being advised by letter of the results of this investigation.

In view of the indefinite information furnished relative to this matter, no further investigation is being conducted by this office.

SMK:LMS

AMSD

[page 173]
Report on a "Flying Saucer"

At or about 12:05 p.m., July 29, 1947, a sedan, driven by Steve Herrmann and carrying R. J. (Bob) Madden in the front seat and Karl Hermann in the rear seat, was proceeding northwesterly along the road leading from Canyon Ferry to York, both in Montana some 25 miles N.E. of Helena.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Gentlemen: (cont.)

When at a point approximately 1/4 mile N.W. of Canyon Ferry, (as shown on Forest Service Map to be in the NE of NE of Sec. 10 T1ON RIW) Karl suddenly shouted "See it! See it! There's a flying saucer!" Steve immed- iately slowed down and gradually brought the sudan to a stop, he and Bob meanwhile scanning the sky in the direction pointed by Karl in an effort to see the "flying saucer", but without success.

Approxmiately ten seconds elapsed between the time Karl reported seeing the "saucer", coming over the horizon at high speed from the southwest, (Karl first thought it a meteor) and travelling northeasterly, and the bringing of the car to a stop.

# UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

## Gentlemen: (cont.)

As the car came to a stop, Steve, Karl and Bob, simultaneously, saw the following:

Directly ahead, (N.) 2 to 3 miles distant and approximately 3000 ft. above the ground, a bright disc hovering and fluttering in the air. Descend- ing and rising through a vertical distance of fifty or a hundred feet for a period of about five seconds then, while at the top of an ascent, the "disc" suddenly swooped to the Northeast at tremendous speed and disappeared into the clear air within a distance of 200 ft. That is to say it did not pass beyond an obstruction to further visibility but "melted into thin air" as if because of tremendous speed.

This disc was, from the viewpoint of the observers, apparently 3 ft. in diameter, circular and of no great thickness approximately 3 or 4 inches.

The sky was blue with scattered small clouds, the sun was shining brightly and the disc gleamed and shimmered in the bright sunlight as if covered with highly polished nickel.

After the "disc" disappeared from view, the sedan and its occupants proceeded northwesterly along the road, but could discern no evidence of the esence of the "disc" along or adjacent to that thorofare.

[page 174]
POST OFFICE DEPARTMENT

BUREAU OF THE CHIEF INSPECTO

T. H. Barkow
INSPECTOR
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OFFICE OF INSPECTOR

Chicago 7, Illinois
September 19, 1947.

CASE NO. 56114-F

LAKE FOREST, ILLINOIS: Alleged violation of Section 2350, P. L. &
R., by des Arc Foundation, sale of information on flying discs.

Federal Bureau of Investigation,
Washington, D. C.

## Gentlemen:

The subject involved in case of above description is C. W Stevens, formerly of Lake Forest, Illinois, who may also have given a Chicago address at various times.

Can you advise whether you have a record of this man and if so, will you please forward a copy of same to me.

Sincerely yours,
<signature>
Post Office Inspector.

HANDLED BY
<signature>
STOP

RHG

RECORDED
& INDEXED
C

62 - 83 894 - 126
FBI
82
31 SEP 27 1947

EX-83
<signature>

262-51006

[page 175]
STANDARD FORM NO. 64

[page 177]
September 24, 1947

Mr. T. H. Barkow
Inspector
Post Office Department
Chicago 7, Illinois

RECORDED

62-83894-126

de
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2

Alleged violation of Section 2350, P. L. & EX-83 R., by des Are Foundation; sale of information on flying discs.

Reference is made to your letter dated September 19, 1947, requesting information regarding one C. W. Stevens, your case #56114-F.

You are advised that an effective search cannot be conducted through the files of the Identification Division of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on the basis of the name only. If you are able to fur- nish the physical description of Stevens or other means of identification such as a registry number, a search will be conducted in an effort to furnish you with the information desired.

RHG:jb

[page 178]
STANDARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum UNITED S. GOVERNMENT •

TO : DIRECTOR, FBI
FROM : SAC, SEATTLE

SUBJECT: FLYING DISKS Reported by BRUCE ARMSTRONG
and M. A. NICHOLS, Seattle, Washington,
August 12, 1947
SECURITY MATTER X

DATE: Sept. 12, 1947
<signature>
<signature>

# Office Memorandum UNITED S. GOVERNMENT • (cont.)

The newspaper, Seattle Post Intelligencer, carried an article in the morning issue of August 13 reporting the sighting of flying disks. The article appeared on the fifth page and was headed "Blue Triangle Latest Thing Seen In Disks". Under this caption there was a short writeup which stated, in substance, that one BRUCE ARMSTRONG, an electronics technician, and a number of other en- gineers at the Boeing Aircraft had sighted a mysterious flying object about 2:20 p.m. on August 12. The newspaper report further stated that the object seemed to be fluttering like a leaf, and appeared to be a black or dark blue triangular substance. In this article also appeared another report of a disk supposedly sighted by one M. A. NICHOLS, 1125 S. W. 102nd Street, Seattle, and NICHOLS des- cribed it as a big ball reflecting light, giving it a purplish tinge.

# Office Memorandum UNITED S. GOVERNMENT • (cont.)

Interview with BRUCE ARMSTRONG on August 13 revealed that ARMSTRONG was standing in front of Section D of the Boeing Aircraft Plant with about ten other research engineers and had noticed a small black object flying about 200 feet high, going south over Boeing Field runway. ARMSTRONG further stated, upon interview, that the object appeared triangular in shape and floated in the air like a leaf, and he estimated the speed to be about fifteen miles per hour. ARMSTRONG could not accurately determine the distance between him and the object, but it is not ed that Section D is about half a mile from the opposite side of Boeing Field where he supposedly had sighted it.

[page 179]
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DIRECTOR, FBI

# FLYING DISKS, Report of

8/26/47

afternoon there were several pieces of burnt paper which flew over the field, and he did recall a large piece of burnt paper which the wind had blown across the runway and down the south end of the field. LOCKWOOD estimated that the paper was approximately three feet in length. Mr. GRANT stated that undoubtedly this was the object in question, and inasmuch as the control tower has a complete view of the area in which the engineers had sighted this object if anything fur- ther was noted it would have appeared in the log.

# FLYING DISKS, Report of (cont.)

Mr. M. A. NICHOLS, 1119 S. W. 102nd Street, was then interviewed regard- ing his report of a flying object. NICHOLS stated that about 4 p.m. on August 12 he had sighted an object which he estimated to be about 35,000 feet in the air, which was flying over his home in a southwest direction. A neighbor, RAY STANLEY, also saw the object and STANLEY examined the same with a pair of binoculars. According to STANLEY the object looked like a white dock moving, cylindrical in shape, and reflected the light of the sun with a sort of purplish tinge. Other witnesses who had seen the object at this time were a Mr. and Mrs. GEORGE KROGSTADT, of 1113 S. W. 102nd Street, Seattle, and their version of the object corresponded with that of NICHOLS and STANLEY.

# FLYING DISKS, Report of (cont.)

Contact with Mr. THOMAS E. GERMAIN, of the Seattle Weather Bureau Office at Boeing Field, revealed that weather balloons are released every six hours from his field commencing at 1:30 a.m. The balloons, according to Mr. GERMAIN, are of a white gum color and reflect the light of the sun at a high altitude. Although Mr. GERMAIN could not understand why a balloon could have been sighted at 4 p.m., he nevertheless was certain that, from the description of the object seen by these people, it must have been either one of his balloons or one released from some other area in the vicinity.

No further investigation is being conducted in this matter by this office.

JJS: JG
62-

[page 181]
# Federal Bureau of Investigation

# United States Department of Justice

IN REPLY, PLEASE REFER TO
FILE NO. <empty>

422 Federal Office Building, Civic Center
San Francisco 2, California
September 19, 1947

Mr. Ni

Mr. R

<signature> Director, FBI

Attention: Assistant Director D. M. LADD

RE: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS

Dear Sir:

Futcher

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

I am transmitting herewith copies of a "restricted" letter dated September 3, 1947, which was furnished to me by Lieutenant Colonel DONALD L. SPRINGER, A-2, Army Air Forces, Hamilton Field, California, which letter is designated to certain Commanding Generals in the Army Air Forces from Colonel R. H. SMITH, Assistant Chief of Staff - Intelligence, Headquarters Air Defense Command, Mitchel Field, New York, concerning "Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of Flying Disc Incidents".

# United States Department of Justice (cont.)

It is my understanding from recent Bureau instructions that we are to assist the Air Force Intelligence personnel in the investigation of flying disc incidents. However, it will be noted from the attached letter that it is Army interpretation that it was their intent that the Bureau would investi- gate those incidents of the so-called "discs" being found on the ground and apparently not those which are observed only in flight. Further, the atten- tion of the Bureau is respectfully called to paragraph two of this letter and to the last sentence there in which states, "The services of the FBI were enlisted in order to relieve the numbered Air Forces of the task of tracking down all the many instances which turned out to be ash can covers, toilet seats and whatnot."

In the first place, the instructions issued by the Army Air Forces in this letter appear to limit the type of investigations which the Bureau will be asked to handle and secondly it appears to me the wording of the last sentence in the second paragraph mentioned above is cloaked in entirely uncalled for language tending to indicate the Bureau will be asked to conduct investigations only in those cases which are not important and which are mec almost, in fact, ridiculous.

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Director, FBI
RE: REPORTS OF FLYING DISCS

9/19/47

In the event the Bureau decides to discuss the matter further with the Army Air Forces, it is recommended that no indication whatsoever be given indicating this letter was referred to me by Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER inasmuch as it would undoubtedly cause him serious embarrassment and would certainly cause the excellent personal relationship which exists between Lieutenant Colonel SPRINGER and this office to be endangered.

Very truly yours,
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Harry M. Kimball
Special Agent in Charge

HMK:mhr
62-2938

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HEADQUARTERS
AIR DEFENSE COMMAND
Mitchel Field, New York

In reply
refer to:

D 333.5EX

3 September 1947

SUBJECT: Cooperation of FBI with AAF on Investigations of "Flying Disc" Incidents.

TO: Commanding Genrals, First, Second, Fourth, Tenth, Eleventh
and Fourteenth Air Forces
ATTENTION: Assistant Chief of Staff, A-2

1. The Federal Bureau of Investigation has agreed to assist Air Force Intelligence personnel in the investigation of "flying disc" incidents in order to quickly and effectively rule out what are pranks and to concentrate on what appears to be a genuine incident.

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2. It was the original intent of the AC/AS-2, Headquarters, Army Air Forces that whereas the ADC Air Forces would interview respon- sible observers whose names would be furnished by AAF, the FBI would investigate incidents of so called "discs" being found on the ground. The services of the FBI were enlisted in order to relieve the numbered Air Forces of the task of tracking down all the many instances which turned out to be ash can covers, toilet seats and whatnot.

3. It is requested that each A-2 informally coordinate and cooperate with the FBI, generally keeping the FBI informed of any proposed calls that intelligence personnel will make on this subject. Very shortly, with the separation of the AAF from the War Department, a firm policy will be established to clarify the liaison arrangements between A-2's and FBI Special Agents. Presently, it is considered inadvisable to promulgate a formal interim policy --only to have it replaced in a month or so by another.

BY COMMAND OF LIEUTENANT GENERAL STRATEMEYER:

/s/ R. H. SMITH
R. H. SMITH
Colonel, GSC
Asst Chief of Staff-Intell. Staff-Intell.

62-83894-128

NCLOSURE NCLOSURE

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mem.

Bu Bulletin #57

10-1-47

(D) PFLYING DISCS --Effective immediately, the Bureau has discontinued its investi- gative activities as outlined in Section B of Bureau Bulletin No. 42, Series 1947, dated July 30, 1947.

All future reports connected with flying discs should be referred to the Air Forces and no investigative action should be taken by Bureau Agents.

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66-03.854

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NOT RECORDED
63 OCT 6 1947
ORIGINAL CC...

231 510CT 14 1947

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STANDARD A

# Office Memorandum. UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT

TO : Director, FBI
FROM : SAC, Butte

DATE: September 27, 1947

72112

SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS SIGHTED MAY 5, 1947,
BETWEEN ELLENSBURG AND SEATTLE, WASHINGTON

# Office Memorandum. UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT (cont.)

Warden JOHN HENRY, Montana State Frison, Deer Lodge, Montana, has advised the writer that while driving between Ellensburg and Seattle, Washing- ton, about 3:30 P.M., on May 5, 1947, he sighted a silver object streaking across the sky. This was also seen by MELBOURNE M HILL, convict chauffeur, and Mrs. HENRY. This object went into a nose dive and they thought it would crash. However, before reaching the earth it disintegrated, leaving a long pillar of "gas" hanging in the sky. It was particularly odd because this re- mained in form and did not blow away. It was observed by these three people while they drove from twenty to thirty miles.

This smoky, gaseous pillar was a long ways off and remained high in the air. Warden HENRY said that this silver object was traveling at an excessively high rate of speed and when it disintegrated it was still a long way from the earth. Warden HENRY said when he first saw it he thought it was probably a jet propelled plane but that he couldn't tell except that its mo- tions were erratic. He said he had not reported it until he had noticed so much in the papers about these discs. Although three people saw it, they de- cided that they must be "seeing things".

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Fletche
9-3

RECEIVED

LIAISON SECTION

FP 31 i 25 PM *47

FBI
US DEPT. OF JUSTICE

## RECEIVED

P 30 3 55 PM

INTERNAL SECURITY
F.B. I.
PT. OF JUS

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DARD FORM NO. 64

# Office Memorandum UNITED STATE GOVERNMENT .

TO : MR. IADD

DATE: October 9, 1947

SUBJECT: FLYING DISCS

1r. Tolse

r. Clegg
r. Glav:

Mr. Nichb15
Rosen
r. Egan
r. Jurrat
r. Barbo
r. Hendon
r. Pennington
Quinn Tan
Tele. Room
Dr. Nease
11ss Beah
Miss Gendy

There are attached hereto, photographs of various reports received by the Air Corps in connection with the above-captioned matter. Me photo graphe ware ailable to Special Acant S. W. Reynolds of the Liaison Section by Lieutenant Colonel K. L. Garrett of the Intelligence Division of the Air Force for completion of Bureau files.

RECOMMENDATION: It is recommended that this memorandum be made available to Supervisor R. G. Fletcher of the Internal Security Section for his information.

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HANDLED BY STOP DEAT

RECORDED 162-8389430
EX-93 REC 19 OCT 18/1947 F I

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The key information includes:

*   **Agency:** FBI, U.S. Dept. of Justice
*   **Action:** RECEIVED-LADD, INTERNAL SECURITY
*   **Date Received:** Oct 9
*   **Time Received:** 12:46 PM
*   **Additional Time Stamp:** 10:03 AM
*   **Additional Label:** RECEIVED

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